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Fitrakis says 19 Wisconsin counties refusing to give (Original Post) triron Dec 2016 OP
Something to hide? eom guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
I'm going to guess that those are the ones most needed n/t gollygee Dec 2016 #2
I know and trust Bob... FarPoint Dec 2016 #3
Me Too colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #5
Absolutely... FarPoint Dec 2016 #6
I used to, till he lied about the California provisional votes in the primary. pnwmom Dec 2016 #21
Which counties? shraby Dec 2016 #4
Wisconsin ... something citizens can try ... Aimee in OKC Dec 2016 #27
Why does Twitter say: "Greg Palast is blocked"? red dog 1 Dec 2016 #7
Huh? triron Dec 2016 #8
10 minutes ago it said "Greg Palast is blocked" red dog 1 Dec 2016 #12
hacking? triron Dec 2016 #13
Possibly red dog 1 Dec 2016 #50
knr triron Dec 2016 #9
knr again triron Dec 2016 #10
Now what happens? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #11
Probably have to go to court. triron Dec 2016 #15
That doesn't sound good in Wisconsin. Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #16
Grrr Lucinda Dec 2016 #14
How many counties in total are there in Wisconsin? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #17
72 counties - does anyone know which ones are blocked? womanofthehills Dec 2016 #28
Refusing to give access to ballots SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #18
Hartmann Interview with Greg Palast this afternoon 12/1/16 mackdaddy Dec 2016 #19
Why would spoiled ballots be counted? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #22
Greg Palast said election officials dump most of the provisional votes Kolesar Dec 2016 #24
A provisional ballot is not the same as a spoiled ballot SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #26
Many provisional ballots just never seem to get counted womanofthehills Dec 2016 #30
Quite possibly for valid reasons SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #32
Prov ballots come with a tracking code DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #41
Because most are not really spoiled ballots womanofthehills Dec 2016 #29
And you know this how...? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #31
I know it from watching recounts. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #36
Al Gore had 40,000 "overvotes" in Florida... BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #38
Are these the 19 that refused hand counts? tavernier Dec 2016 #20
That's what I'm guessing SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #23
Check the machines world wide wally Dec 2016 #25
In Milwaukee County dragonlady Dec 2016 #33
ok, sounds good. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #35
wtf indeed; reminds me of 2000, when repubs wanted all ballots destroyed after Shrub was declared TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #34
It is looking more and more like this election was stolen in the small districts where Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #37
I've been wondering... In rural precincts where the Trump vote supposedly spiked, BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #39
Stuffing would be risky dragonlady Dec 2016 #40
It would be much easier to spoil the other candidate's ballot by overvoting for the voter afterwards Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #44
That's an idea dragonlady Dec 2016 #47
I can't speak for other jurisdictions SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #51
That is my thinking...he ran up the rural vote by unheard of numbers. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #42
Sounds like obstruction of justice. libtodeath Dec 2016 #43
That is a huge tell flamingdem Dec 2016 #45
There is something going on there. UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #46
Huh....and this is EXACTLY why we need the recount. To expose AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #48
Can they be compelled to do so by court order? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #49
Sue Sue Sue MFM008 Dec 2016 #52

pnwmom

(109,562 posts)
21. I used to, till he lied about the California provisional votes in the primary.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:39 PM
Dec 2016

He said -- repeatedly, no accident -- that they weren't going to be counted and that Bernie had really won.

Wrong. Every single one was checked ,almost all were eligible and counted, and Hillary still won.

In California, by law, all provisional ballots are counted after they are checked against the registration rolls. None are just set aside.

Aimee in OKC

(160 posts)
27. Wisconsin ... something citizens can try ...
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:23 PM
Dec 2016

Ordinary people just might be able to count some ballots independently, especially important if interested in more than just the presidential results.

As Optical Scan machines read a ballot, they capture an anonymous image of it. No personal information means there shouldn't be any legal reason to refuse to release the images.

Use a notarized FOIA request to election officials to demand the images of the election results you want. They could give in, refuse, drag it out ... so to get a yes or no as soon as possible, best to go in person. Take along at least two brand-new, still-wrapped flash drives to download the files. Count the votes & enter into a spreadsheet for tracking.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

1. Click on Wisconsin. (Then click on a specific county if you want its quick info.) Scroll down to "Search Equipment" dropdowns in lower left. Select Wisconsin, "Optical Scan" & 2016, and SEARCH.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#year/2016/state/55

2. See the 11-page list of Wisconsin cities/towns/villages which use the makes and various models of Optical Scan machines = Dominion, ES&S {Elections Systems & Software}, Premier/Diebold, Sequoia.

3. Explore "Security Concerns" for those Optical Scan models used in Wisconsin: scroll down & select each one in turn & see their vulnerabilities.

MAKE MODEL of OPTICAL SCAN
Dominion Voting Systems ImageCast Precinct
Election Systems & Software DS200
Election Systems & Software Model 100
Election Systems & Software Optech IIIP-Eagle
Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote OS
Sequoia (Dominion) Optech Insight

MAKES of DRE TOUCHSCREEN:
Premier/Diebold (Dominion) AccuVote TSX
Sequoia (Dominion) AVC Edge
Election Systems & Software iVotronic

4. See also other states' machines= in that "Search Equipment", select the state you want & SEARCH.

red dog 1

(29,320 posts)
7. Why does Twitter say: "Greg Palast is blocked"?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 05:34 PM
Dec 2016

WTF?

What did he do to get blocked?

It's that rat bastard Trump who should be blocked by Twitter.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
18. Refusing to give access to ballots
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:05 PM
Dec 2016

to the people who are actually counting them = very, very bad

Refusing to give access to ballots to observers from any party = good

mackdaddy

(1,594 posts)
19. Hartmann Interview with Greg Palast this afternoon 12/1/16
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:16 PM
Dec 2016

Basically says all three states could be switched to Hillary in fair recount, and accounting of "uncounted spoiled ballots".




Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
24. Greg Palast said election officials dump most of the provisional votes
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:08 PM
Dec 2016

They don't count them, they dump them on arbitrary grounds like envelope labeling. It is possible to determine "voter intent" and count them if they tried.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
26. A provisional ballot is not the same as a spoiled ballot
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:16 PM
Dec 2016

As for provisional ballots, it varies from state to state. In Virginia, for example, I'm sure that most provisional ballots would reveal voter intent. But if the voter doesn't provide the required information by the deadline, the vote will be tossed.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
32. Quite possibly for valid reasons
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:44 PM
Dec 2016

Provisional ballots often require additional action on the part of the voter. If they don't do what is required, then of course the ballot won't be counted. And I believe federal law requires that anyone voting a provisional ballot has the right to inquire as to whether or not the ballot was counted.

DeminPennswoods

(16,317 posts)
41. Prov ballots come with a tracking code
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:13 AM
Dec 2016

Here in PA, the ballots come with a tracking bar code and the provisional voter gets a receipt portion of the ballot with the same bar code on it as is on the prov ballot. You can track the status of your ballot online.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,692 posts)
36. I know it from watching recounts.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:22 AM
Dec 2016

Say, for instance, someone checks the box for Hillary Clinton and then also writes her name in the the write-in area.

Should that vote count in your opinion? Is voter intent clear?

The machine counts the vote as an overvote when in fact it is a valid vote.

I watched the Al Frankenstein recount in pretty much real time. People do all sorts of stupid stuff that causes the machine to not count the votes.

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
38. Al Gore had 40,000 "overvotes" in Florida...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:35 AM
Dec 2016

If you check their name and write it also, I'd say that intent is more clear than that of someone who only checked the name....

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
33. In Milwaukee County
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:51 PM
Dec 2016

Observers sit across the table from workers who are counting ballots by hand (verifying whether the number of ballots in the bag matches the number of voters). The observers can point out ballots with problems that would need to be counted specially by hand. The ballots are then counted on a high-speed machine that separates out each candidate and counts the votes for each. Any ballots that are spit out of the machine as an undervote (machine does not detect any vote for president) will be remade on a blank ballot to show the voter's intent and put through the machine again to be counted.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
34. wtf indeed; reminds me of 2000, when repubs wanted all ballots destroyed after Shrub was declared
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 03:14 AM
Dec 2016

the winner by his friends in high places.

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
37. It is looking more and more like this election was stolen in the small districts where
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:18 AM
Dec 2016

Drumpt ran up such big numbers.

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
39. I've been wondering... In rural precincts where the Trump vote supposedly spiked,
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:39 AM
Dec 2016

are some so rural that they maybe didn't have a Democratic party observer?

And in such a precinct, how hard would it really be to "help" some voters show up and vote-- like the ones who actually didn't? We're talking ballot-box stuffing...

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
40. Stuffing would be risky
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:09 AM
Dec 2016

The added "voters" would have to be registered and sign the poll book so that the post-election cross-checks match. Their votes would then appear on the state website (you can look up your voting history online). If these were for actual people who didn't vote, they would eventually know that their names had been used. Maybe some people would be willing to risk a felony conviction to get some number of extra votes for their favored candidate, but that's doubtful. It's the same reason that poor people actually don't vote several times for some relatively small payment.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
47. That's an idea
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:14 PM
Dec 2016

But for many counties, the question would arise, why did the machine not spit back an overvote on election day? In counties that don't use machines, the poll workers should have already eliminated any overvotes during counting on election night.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
51. I can't speak for other jurisdictions
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 01:20 PM
Dec 2016

but in Virginia, they aren't "spit back" for overvotes. The ballot goes into the machine, and the candidate for each race is credited for a vote, except for any race with an undervote or overvote. Overvotes and undervotes from tabulators aren't even looked at unless there is a hand recount.

Demsrule86

(71,023 posts)
42. That is my thinking...he ran up the rural vote by unheard of numbers.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:15 AM
Dec 2016

Yet the results do not support a wave election. Observers are generally sent to large districts not smaller districts...and already some districts have changed their numbers in Wisconsin...and all mistakes favor Trump? They are also fighting the Michigan recount...very suspicious.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
48. Huh....and this is EXACTLY why we need the recount. To expose
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 10:58 PM
Dec 2016

The nonsense that is clearly a big part of this election.

Bet these people NEVER THOUGHT there would be a recount. Bet they thought it was just all gonna be smooth as butter. I hope they get exposed and carted off to jail.

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