And he must be punished for that truth telling.

is the better part of valor. Walk softly and carry a big stick. Don't scare the children.

Sorry, I meant political donations.

Follow the Money!

Are you saying Israel or Jewish people are bribing American politicians? Without some sort of proof and context, that plays into some very bad stereotypes.

AND other posters are saying. You may as well get used to it.

Jews do like everyone else and contribute to causes they believe in - causes like shining lights on and trying to stamp out bigotry. I mean HOW DARE THEY???

to have an opinion about the State of Israel. Not about "Jews" per se, but about a state.

which many seem to be confusing with AIPAC. BOTH happen to be AMERICAN organizations and the ADL says very little about Israel but has been on the front lines in attacking ALL bigotry for decades. So anyone associating the ADL with Israel is either ignorant or a bigot.

and Palestinians? If it does, please enlighten me.

Just like it doesn't attack Israel, it doesn't attack the Palestinians, the Syrians, the Russians, the Saudi's, the Pakistanis, The Turks, the Egyptians, the Chinese. Are you getting this yet? Or are you going to pretend it's only Israel that has a lacking human rights record?

But to repeat, China, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and Turkey are just a few. And all are US allies of convenience and/or trading partners.

But if the ADL wishes to comment on Ellison's remarks about a foreign country, they are choosing to involve themselves in this attempt at fomenting a controversy. And attempting to frame the debate so it is relevant to question why they are doing this.

and you know it. Stop pretending otherwise and stop trying to ignore his past association with a repulsive bigot. Unfortunately for you and others, they are a very well respected organization and they don't owe you a thing.

they owe us all at least the appearance of even handed behavior.

Liberals who are outraged at Ellison's comments but ignore human rights violations committed by the State of Israel seem to me to be guilty of quite selective outrage.

They aren't attempting to influence US policy - they have given their opinion on someone who wants to lead the DNC and Ellison's past association with repulsive bigots is the reason. Maybe you're a fan of farrakah, I have no idea but you're going a long way to ignore his past association with Ellison and try and make this about Israel. Your motives are clear for EVERYONE to see.

The ADL is definitely attempting to influence the political parties that make the policy. Perhaps you do not see that, perhaps you ignore it, perhaps you disagree.

There is a movie called "The Occupation of the American mind". You might be interested in watching it.

I stand with the majority of Americans on this issue. You stand with 17%. You also haven't said dick about his association with that vile farrakhan so I can see where you're coming from. Have a lovely day.

Again, watch the movie and get back to me on your thoughts.

of Americans which the Pew study makes clear every single year - obviously something you can't face. I have better things to do than watch your propaganda.

viewing it. Congratulations on your gift.

Have a lovely weekend.

And obviously not just Israel. Saudi Arabia and China are also afforded this treatment. The US tolerance for abuse of human rights varies with the usefulness of the countries in question.

the use we have for Israel. They certainly use the hell out of us, but what we get in return seems nebulous at best.

what you're talking about.

But the real point is that because Ellison has dared to have an opinion on Israel that contradicts US political orthodoxy, he is being presumed to be unfit.

to associate with a repulsive bigot. Perhaps you don't have a problem with the Nation of Islam and it's disgusting leader farrakhan but plenty of actual liberals do.

So what do we conclude from that? That these actual liberals have a quite selective concern for human rights?

to say I'm tired of wasting my time with you on this. All you want to do is make this about Israel which is a LIE. I'm done with you and this topic.

Interesting also that you attempt to frame this as a secret anti-Semitic rant on my part. If you can find any comments of mine here that attack Judaism or Jews please feel free to include them if you make your case for me being an anti-Semite. I have frequently commented about the many human rights violations committed by the State of Israel, but that equates only to criticism of the government.

The bottom line is that Ellison does not subscribe to the D.C. orthodoxy when it comes to the special treatment that Israel (and some other US allies) receives. And it is this failure that perhaps causes him to be attacked.

and would like the rest of us to ignore his past association with a repulsive bigot. Not gonna happen. You can try and make this about Israel all you wish - not gonna happen.

You were talking about political donations. That means U.S. citizens. Your posts on this thread are offensive in the extreme and I suggest you delete them.

It has always seemed hypocritical to me that we give China most favored nation status ...China who is a huge violator of human rights and of course we beat Cuba up too...I am not saying Israel has acted in a stellar manner but none do in that region...the goal is still to get rid of Israel all these years later. Two sides to every story...and both in my opinion, are wrong.

So like attracts like? Is Israel a small scale version of the US?

job of a DNC chair effectively?

Another question that needs to be asked, should a DNC chair be able to devote full time to being a DNC chair?

angered one of our constituencies...he becomes the story, and we may lose votes...bad idea. And we need someone who is not in the House or Senate...full time also not controversial...we need someone to reach out to the states too...where the battle must be fought to some degree...Ellison is not that guy. We need Dean and the 50 state solution.

together, not become part of another story, and divert from the goal.

I agree with you on Howard Dean. His fifty state strategy has been shown to work.

statement on any issue. I would say the distraction is caused by those who try to manufacture a controversy here.

I pretend allegations are truths as well. I also add the melodrama of a non-existent punishment in place of rational thought. Sometimes, it's the best our bias can create on short notice.

party.

And do not conflate "the Jews" with the Israeli State. One can protest the atrocities of the State of Israel without being accused of being against "the Jews". All of "the Jews" do not live in Israel, and all of "the Jews" do not agree with the State of Israel's actions.

Google Jewish voices for peace for another Jewish viewpoint.

"Additionally, whether intentional or not, his words raise the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government, a poisonous myth that may persist in parts of the world where intolerance thrives, but that has no place in open societies like the U.S. These comments sharply contrast with the Democratic National Committee platform position, which states: “A strong and secure Israel is vital to the United States because we share overarching strategic interests and the common values of democracy, equality, tolerance, and pluralism.”

by Jews, but we do have a fair number of Jewish descent. But they are far out numbered by evangelical xtians.

friend than they are.

The "implication" is an excuse not to examine or rethink lopsided policy.

I was alive during Golda Meir (sp?) and her fervent plea for help, but why does that mean that we can only be THEIR friend?

We give Egypt billions also. We are allied with Jordan and do business with Lebanon when warranted. We wont even get into how much money goes to Saudi Arabia and the rest of the gulf states. Why do so many here want to PRETEND it's only Israel that benefits from the US? It's an ignorant lie.

Out of deference to Israel for largely religious and economic/selfish reasons. That seems pretty damn accurate.

I think Greenblatt is really reaching to suggest Ellison is implying that the US government is controlled by Jewish people.

do you think should be treated as special allies? Syria is kinda busy right now having a civil war, before that al assad was busy simply being a disgusting dictator? Egypt? They get the exact same amount of money Israel does. Jordan does also get special treatment - maybe because they're considered more of friend of the west? Lebanon? Maybe when they don't let terrorist organizations sit on the borders and kill people. BTW - the treatment of women, minorities and gays in ANY of those countries should make anyone here nauseous.

Perhaps you should paste the part where he said "that Jews run our government" so we can all see it.

Actually he said nothing of the kind.

Jews, Latinos, African Americans, etc. so they've made their bones.

We need to get over the thing where anytime anyone voices an opinion about US policy towards Israel they get labeled an anti-Semite.

and less powerful country does not compute. Except to conspiracy theory.

nothing to do with that.

Good thing Ellison never said anything like that.

And as for rights...women are treated like dirt in the middle east...we need to pick a DNC chair who has none of this baggage...elections will not be won by any argument concerning the Israelis VS the Palestinian conflict...we could lose votes, but we will not gain votes. We need to deal with our issues of trade and fairness...and the resurgence of racism against Jews as well as others in this country.

Bannon said he didn't want his kids going to school with Jews. There is no comparison whatsoever.

That doesn't make it anti-semitic. When Bannon said he doesn't want his kids in school with Jews, that's way beyond "controversial."

And I don't think it accomplishes anything good to draw comparisons between "I think the US is too pro-Israel" and "I don't want my kids around Jews".

Do you actually think Ellison's views on Israel are motivated by prejudice against Jews? I think the chances of that are zero. There are ways to disagree with him without comparing him to Steve Bannon.

We shouldn't put Ellison as chair because he is a racist like Bannon (though he said NOTHING like what is being said he said).

But also because we need someone with "none of this (women are treated like dirt in the middle east) baggage." So are you saying that we shouldn't pick Ellison because he is a Muslim with ethnic ties to the middle east? I hope not, but it kind of sounds that way. Help me out.

and I'm gonna do so tomorrow. We don't need a Trump 2020 REAL landslide.

Named Steven Emerson:

http://theslot.jezebel.com/one-man-trying-to-take-down-dnc-chair-candidate-keith-e-1789577579

"Could Ellison's speech be problematic? Perhaps. But the ADL's falling for a conspiracy theorist's lies in this.

And Schumer's still standing by Ellison..."

Sorry the DNC chair tells a story of why we need to elect Democrats...when he/she becomes the story, they can not do the job. Ellison is a bad choice...his words were unwise at the very least. He seems like a good guy, but this is not the job for him.

settle the middle east argument...it is to elect Democrats... don't you want to win ever?

...for the job. I'm behind Howard Dean. The job of the chair is to get Democrats elected. Dean knows how to do that and has proved it.

How long before you promote the idea of rounding up all the Muslims & putting them in camps?

Many of us don't think he is the guy for the job...what you suggest hardly follows.

But that's all the OP and his fellow travelers seem to do.

Feel free to point out where ANYONE - the ADL or posters here - is besmriching Islam.

Don't pretend that this OP or the 89 others trying to make Louis Farrakhan into Ellison's evil twin are anything less than that.

The ADL has some valid concerns. in addition, I do not want anyone associated with Sanders to be DNC chair and I want a full time DNC chair.

n/t

we do not need the heat at this disastrous point in Democratic Party history.

You have the gall to call Ellison an anti-Semite. This post deserves a hide.