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than that, and we don't know what they'll fine when the go back through the supposed "errors." In fact, the "additional votes for Trump" numbers don't sound in our favor.

I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get excited until something significant happens.

At least that's what the Wisconsin recount spreadsheet shows, 3,636 wards and multiple wards grouped within the 3,636 ward rows.

Or do you just not like the word turnout being used interchangeably with the word votes?

are 101 votes in that precinct, then turnout is over 100%.

I assume when she lists "voters," she means "registered voters," as that is what the SoS will be referring to.

If you have further questions regarding this matter, perhaps you can ask her or call the Wisconsin SoS office for clarification.

cast.

"Most notable: on the Inspector's Statement Ward 2 and Ward 18 in Kenosha, there were more votes than voters

Following your logic, her wording would be awkward and misleading. I agree. That would be more plausible. If so, she should have worded her comment that the vote totals don't correspond to candidate vote breakdown and the discrepancy is a few votes in those two wards.

or "eligible voter" votes, the qualifier comes off and they are at that point a "voter." I hope I am wrong and you're right because it should be pretty easy to find the people who didn't vote yet are recorded as having voted.

I think some voters in some of these rural areas were somehow "helped to vote"--
and needed "help" because they never actually showed up.

compared to the rest of the country.

in some areas in one election. I think we see Gospodin Putin's hand here.

Wolf

cash persuaded here or there?

Extra voters, double or triple voters, do it any way you can

I still expect to hear of padded tallies at the points of aggregation.

It was either very many voters, and/or tally points

But I'm skeptical by nature and i could be all wet

with what we're being told about who won.

I'm having as much difficulty as you understanding how HRC lost these states. It's the skeptic in me that needs answers for how we got to where we are. I'm not buying the glossed over conclusions that the M$M is feeding us.

We live in Hell. Period. What we have lived thru in the last 6 years is about to be done to the entire country. You may speculate, we know.

Cuz Minnesota sucks.

*GRIN*

How's it feel?

Knock that shit off.

Hell is actually in Michigan. And Wisconsin is next to Michigan.

Have your homework on my desk Monday morning, 2 pages, double sided, single spaced.

Do I need to show the palm of my hand?

what makes us think the next one will be fair >? Honestly wtf can be done about it now? There is no reason to get false hope. Nothing will change, Dumpf will still be President on 1/21/17. < Maybe if POTUS would come out and make a significant statement and tell us how we can move forward with this that might help.

And if Mr. President knows, how can he remain silent?

conclusive proof of tampering there is little he can do.
I know, you or someone else will claim he can investigate but again to do that he needs something major to support an investigation otherwise the opposing party could take it to court and accuse him of sour grapes because his parties candidate lost.

voted and not just more votes counted than votes cast than that is a clear evidence of election fraud and really even if it were right at 100% between the 2 wards that combine for more than a thousand people that is also next to impossible.

The other side will argue that Clinton had 1 over vote too,but if I'm reading the context correctly that's a 30 to 1 advantage Trump in over votes including the 24 Clinton votes he was accredited.

Far less damning. Would make my title accurate to her comment, but inaccurate to what she meant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2639168

Time for the democratic party to grow some balls and call the GOP out
for rigging/stealing elctions.

BTW Who thinks this was the only place that a >100% turn out happened?

the poster clearly pointed out that more votes were counted at the polls than the actual voter turnout at the polls. Beyond that, does anyone here believe that the votes in the three most pivotal states could not have been compromised. I know that progressives are generally more tolerant than those on the opposite side of the spectrum, but when it comes to this election, nothing is off the table.

something that was written in ambiguous terms and he was right in his interpretation. The 2nd part of it gives context to what was said,but that was edited in later.

I don't find it unreasonable at all that people who openly engage in mass voter suppression efforts would also engage in election fraud. The question is would we catch them?

I could see a hand full of very small towns with close to 100% turnout if we are talking about 50 people,but to run the board like that in 193 of them with an estimated 95% turnout,25 with 90% turnout and 7 with 100% turnout. No way! The article does say that it is impossible to no for sure how many registered voters there are,because of same day registration,but still I don't see anyway same registered voters could make up that type of gap. Clearly looks like fraud.

How much you want to wager?

bears. All orange.

I'm not sure what it is. Can we do the green ones instead?

Dr. Phillips

to call out the fraud? Or will they just parrot republicans talking points. Like claiming there were errors in the recount,because according to their logic errors that could sway the election could only happen during recounts,but couldn't possibly happen on election day.

We have a football game there is instant replay to make sure they got the call right,but when it comes to something as important as the Presidential election the media just wants to get it over with getting it right doesn't matter.

In any large state, you are going to have errors. That is why you do the recount. Nothing above indicates widespread fraud in any way.

Grasping at straws people. Let's keep a little grip on reality.

Or, grab the tinfoil. Whatever helps you cope!

Mistake does not equal fraud.

We need to stop crying wolf every time we see a Childs drawing of a wolf. It destroys credibility.

And it wasn't just in Wisconsin.

I have worked many elections and it is impossible to have a greater
# of votes then people who voted and at multiple locations too.

Your concern is noted and BTW I love wolves.

favor one candidate over another are just errors?

see 100% OR BETTER turnout in ANY election, in any jurisdiction. Can you come up with proof that this 100% or better turnout is the norm anyplace in this country? Most of the time, it is less than 60%. To have a 100% turnout would indicate 40% voter fraud. And to have it over 100% turnout, someone needs jailtime. You seem to be wanting to just shoo away fraud and explain it all as a "mistake." I would seem that you have never worked as an Election Inspector. I have. For the last 26 years.

A search of reports of confirmed cases of Voter fraud in the 2016 election turned up 4. Not 4%, 4 people. All republicans.

The distinction between Voter fraud and Election fraud is very important. Crucial. The GOP screams about Voter fraud to fuel voter ID measures and reduce access to polls to suppress turnout. When, in fact, Voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. Elections don't turn on voter fraud, they turn on Election fraud. And they GOP really, really does not anyone talking about Election fraud. Wonder why?

tells you that if you give each of ten people a marble and tell them to put it in a box, at the end of the exercise there will no more thanten marbles in the box. If you don't understand that, then loosen the straps on your tin foil hat.

There is a very, very small possibility this represents widespread election fraud. That would be nice for us, since we could overturn the results. But too many people are getting too heavily invested, and they're going to be bitter at the conclusion of all this.

Oof-dah!

And I think everybody's going to see this unfold next week on national television.

"Millions of illegal votes" or something like that?

at Stein's website:

http://www.jill2016.com/wendy_st_croix_county

Five of the nine machines being used in the recount have tampered seals. Photos of two are attached. Photo of seal, followed by photo of serial number.


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I'd say that this sample is reason enough for the Federal Election Commission to get involved to the extent that their charter permits, and the rest is an emergency issue for the Attorney General. When the number of ballots cast exceeds the number of registered voters, something is very wrong. When Trump's people start screaming loudly to stop this kind of examination, there is even more reason for the Justice Department to get involved.

If there was no concrete evidence of gross error/tampering, that would be one thing. But this is just too much to be a series of coincidences, and, like Ohio 2004, how come they ALWAYS favor Republicans? Remember that one precinct in Ohio 2004 that was actually examined. The one electronic voting machine that actually DID get examined gave Bush 3000 votes in a precinct with 600 registered voters. So what did Ohio do? They subtracted 2400 votes from Bush's margin of victory, and then STILL REFUSED to examine ANY of the other voting machines. We rolled over on that one. The stakes are a LOT higher this time. If we lose, then we lose, but let's not roll over and play dead this time just because they want us to.

So there is no way to determine turnout because of same day registration and lack of data. It seems pretty implausible that EVERY SINGLE REGISTERED VOTER plus a few more who decided to register on election day voted. I wonder if these figures include early voting.

Twn. of Tomahawk 257
Twn. of New Lyme 90
Vil. of Stockholm 48
Twn. of McKinley 198
Twn. of Cedar Rapids 24
Vil. of Tony 51
City of WI Dells 63

Source http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/Amended%20Ward%20Report-11.6.12%20President.pdf

every area had more votes then in 2012

these rural areas had quite high turnouts in both elections.

... found that voting machines were made to dump votes in more urban areas. She
could not understand how Gov. Brownback won re-election even though he had done
an awful job and Ds, Rs, and Is did not like him.

These #s out of Wisconsin can help explain how Scott Walker survived hios recall.

It is time for America and the democratic party to wake up and say out loud that
republicans cheat to win elections.

since the Walker recall, when everything showed he was going to lose, and suddenly he won contrary to all polling. The Prosser Court election as well. Wisconsin is dirty. This probably has nothing to do with Russians.

To print voter rolls, you know precisely how many registered voters there are. A precinct (Wards in Wisconsin) knows how many new registrations were done on election day, they processed them. Update Voter Rolls can (are) delivered to the precinct to cover last minute registrations the in the days before the election. Registered Voters is the sum of the Voter Roll, Update sheets and new registrations done election day.

In the precinct I worked in Minnesota, we knew the number of registered voters the second the polls were closed - BEFORE we printed the results from the tabulation machine. The guy working new registrations was a monster, he did it solo, all day and processed new registrations about 8% of preregistered voters.

Side note, it is damn near impossible to have turnouts in the 90%. Registered voters die - there is no process to automatically remove them from the rolls. If you have 100% turnout, then there were ballots created for dead people and people that moved.

I retract the "bullshit", but everything else is accurate.

I originally thought that the quote was from a Wisconsin election official.

Hope they find the body.

Just discovered this UTube of suspicious activity in St. Croix County WI re-count room. https://mobile.twitter.com/NoMoreWarTY/status/804758817481388032

Woman appears to be taking something from computer, going through papers and dropping something in trash can.

She left with the county clerk earlier, the clerk locked the door on the video replay

http://theuptake.org/live-video-post/wisconsin-recount-day-2-st-croix-county/

during the lunch break after everyone left the room and entered 3 minutes later she's in the room by herself. Under the re-count rules absolutely no one can be in that room alone during the re-count process. Could someone re-post in a new thread to spread this around as soon as possible and also notify Jill Stein's team? St. Croix County is the hub of Republican possible shenanigans - home to Kitty Rhodes (now deceased hand-picked head of Gov. Walker's Health and Human Services Dept.) and Dean Knutson (senator behind trying to re-write open records laws to hide government activity - and other horrible legislation).

Please spread this around so that it can't be ignored.

The twitter feed proclaims possible election fraud. I'm skeptical.

The first video is a portion of the entire video shown in the second video. They're filming the room where the re-count is taking place. After everyone left for a lunch break, the clerk and assistant left and locked the door. Approximately three minutes later the assistant is back in alone. The rules state the absolutely no one should be alone in that room. She appears to be taking something out of the computer, goes through a bunch of paperwork, throws something into the trash can and leaves. There should be no reason she should have been in there in the first place.

Rules are for insiders. She's thinking outside the box. Have to admire that.

You made me laugh but it's not funny. It's creepy. It's been creepy here in WI since Walker won. Something is going on that's not right.

it probably isn't.

Welcome to DU!

they lived in a really red county in Arizona and were certain people known to be voting for Trump were given 2 ballots. Of course, anyone can say anything on the Internet, but it would explain more votes than voters.

I don't have enough posts to start a thread yet. Would someone post the link to the video for me? Maybe someone knows something or can put it out into the Googlesphere so it's picked up far and wide. In addition to the video, 5 of 7 of the voting machines appear to have been tampered with in St. Croix County.

Walker, Priebus, Trump, this is from August 2016:
http://www.wpr.org/former-trump-advisor-scott-walker-has-rigged-5-elections

Isn't that special? Perhaps there will be so much evidence coming out of these election re-counts that we will finally have justice, clean the whole thing up, let ALL people vote easily and change this country and world around - I say with rose colored glasses on.

In Canada, unless you opt out, your vote goes back to the place you lived when you joined up. You aren't actually on the voters list for that place, but your vote is counted there. Is this the same in the States?

... in each precinct being able to swing a vote on way or the other? She was, of course, urging people to get out and vote. But that math works, too, for just a couple of errors... or just a couple of hacks... Hundreds or thousands of small "anomalies" are a hell of a lot harder to detect, and thus a lot harder to prove a concerted effort could be behind them.

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and trying to explain to a federal judge how did you come up with this total.

http://blackboxvoting.org/

Reminds me of this