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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:34 AM Dec 2016

Jill Stein needs more recount donations to overcome Wisconsins malicious price hike


Jill Stein was initially told by Wisconsin officials that the recount would cost approximately $1.1 million. But after the state tried and largely failed to sabotage her in court to prevent a hand recount from happening, it’s now trying a new approach: charging an insane amount of money for each of the counties that have agreed to do hand recounts. According to Wisconsin’s official election website, at the time this article is being written, Stein is now on the hook for $3,898,340 instead of the mere $1.1 million she was told.

Stein has already received more than $6.8 million in donations, so she has enough cash on hand to pay Wisconsin’s sudden ransom. But to do, she’ll have to tap into the funds that she had initially raised to pay for the Michigan and Pennsylvania recount fees, as well as the attorney fees which will be required to fight those two states to force the recounts. In other words, because she’s now being sabotaged by the Republican officials running Wisconsin, she legitimately needs more money than has been raised up to this point. Stein’s donation page is still active, for those who believe in the recount cause and are in a position to donate.

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/jill-stein-needs-recount-donation-overcome-wisconsins-malicious-price-hike/348/



So please if you can donate here is the link: https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

$6,876,840.51 RAISED --- GOAL: $9,500,000.00

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Jill Stein needs more recount donations to overcome Wisconsins malicious price hike (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 OP
Time for some good governmental lawyers to intervene kacekwl Dec 2016 #1
It wasn't a rate hike. They forgot to add in the graft, kickbacks and skimming to party bosses. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #2
apparently... sick assholes Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #67
Marta & I are in again Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #3
Done. K&R Qutzupalotl Dec 2016 #4
done, thanks for the flamingdem Dec 2016 #5
I've kicked in another $100 philosslayer Dec 2016 #6
Here is the Wisconsin Election Website-charging Stein $3.89 Million! KatyBR Dec 2016 #7
Why are they getting away with these flamingdem Dec 2016 #8
Because WI has a corrupt Governor and corrupt State government milestogo Dec 2016 #11
WI does not want to do the hand recount. So they keep saying a higher and higher cost for it UCmeNdc Dec 2016 #18
Wow! Thanks for the links and information. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #13
Yep, I donated more yesterday...if only the 64Mil that voted for HRC each donated a buck... iluvtennis Dec 2016 #24
Or we realize it's a waste of money mythology Dec 2016 #42
$6,889,147.75 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #9
Done, thanks for the link, Madam45. nT Mc Mike Dec 2016 #10
have donated twice--this recount won't solve all problems but spooky3 Dec 2016 #12
Agree iluvtennis Dec 2016 #25
$6,892,221.75 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #14
Except SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #15
First 1.1 million then 3.5 million then it was upped to 3.9 million. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #17
Not disputing that it went up SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #19
it seems everything happened in just a few days: Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #20
$6,894,504.75 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #16
$6,902,134.25 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #21
$6,931,039.00 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #22
$6,948,514.03 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #23
Will do it again tomorrow. I need to know that I did as much as i could AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #26
$6,993,149.00 right now oldtime dfl_er Dec 2016 #27
Yet she just dropped her petition in PA BainsBane Dec 2016 #28
She went to the place and they were charging her an unexpected 1 million fee that was not Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #30
Palmer Report? oberliner Dec 2016 #29
$7,004,508.29 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #31
$7,007,872.29 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #32
Wisconsin recount results day 2 "Trump is up 2 votes". Keep those donations coming!!!!! frankieallen Dec 2016 #33
I am not embarrassed, but thanks for trying! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #34
No. At this point it's really sad. mythology Dec 2016 #43
$7,016,033.29 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #35
Just curious, if Jill Stein doesn't spend all these millions on recounts, what happens to all frankieallen Dec 2016 #36
I am more concerned with election integrity! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #37
I bet you are.....I won't say anymore, I think my fellow DUers can see what's happening here. frankieallen Dec 2016 #39
BTW, tell Ms Stein I said hello. frankieallen Dec 2016 #40
The fund is bound by the rules of the FEC womanofthehills Dec 2016 #46
what rule? gejohnston Dec 2016 #58
$7,017,858.29 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #38
$7,094,131.50 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #41
7,102,300+ triron Dec 2016 #44
$7,113,529.45 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #45
7,124000+ triron Dec 2016 #47
$7,137,922.43 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #48
$7,168,667.00 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #49
Keep it coming! More $$ needed...(trump has gained 39 votes so far.) jmg257 Dec 2016 #50
I don't trust Palmer jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #51
I trust him and others do too. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #53
She had the money, gejohnston Dec 2016 #52
I am awesomely glad for the recount! Which is being a lot of work! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #54
not against the principle of the recount, gejohnston Dec 2016 #56
Don't worry about us! We are making an informed decision. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #57
$7,174,987.48 RAISED Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #55
Why doesn't she pay Michigan back for all their costs then ? MichMan Dec 2016 #59
FAQ Page: Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #61
clickbait !! MichMan Dec 2016 #63
Am busy! Do your own research ! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #64
I did, Stein is only paying fraction of what the taxpayers of Michigan are stuck paying. MichMan Dec 2016 #65
How much went to the two organizations she was sending people to? NCTraveler Dec 2016 #60
Jill Stein needs more recount donations to overcome Wisconsins malicious price hike Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #62
No, she needs to pay the actual cost in Michigan instead of sticking it to the taxpayers MichMan Dec 2016 #66
She should appeal to the court that this amounts to a shakedown and the state must pay for ancianita Dec 2016 #68

kacekwl

(7,511 posts)
1. Time for some good governmental lawyers to intervene
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:57 AM
Dec 2016

through the courts to stop the fascist government of Wisconsin and others trying to stop this. She needs an army of lawyers pounding these obstructionist frauds. Demand a proper cost and process and cut the shit. Also get the media involved if possible and scream loud and often . May get lucky and get an honest or at least frightened judge.

KatyBR

(186 posts)
7. Here is the Wisconsin Election Website-charging Stein $3.89 Million!
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 12:28 PM
Dec 2016
http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/story/county_presidential_recount_cost_estimates_and_rec_85247.pdf

GRAND TOTAL $3,898,340
Hand Count=47
Hand Count and Optical Scan=13
Optical Scan=12

We're going to have to dig in our pockets again!

UCmeNdc

(9,650 posts)
18. WI does not want to do the hand recount. So they keep saying a higher and higher cost for it
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 02:29 PM
Dec 2016

They hope to make the recount people go away.

iluvtennis

(20,864 posts)
24. Yep, I donated more yesterday...if only the 64Mil that voted for HRC each donated a buck...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:20 AM
Dec 2016

...there would be plenty of money for the recounts and to cover the lawyers. I am really surprised only 160,000 something folks have donated. Maybe they don't know about the recounts. How can we help get the word out more broadly

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
42. Or we realize it's a waste of money
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:29 PM
Dec 2016

Why should anybody throw money at this which has no chance of changing anything?

spooky3

(36,204 posts)
12. have donated twice--this recount won't solve all problems but
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 12:55 PM
Dec 2016

it's essential to do it.

And the fact that the Republicans are fighting HARD to stop recounts in all three states suggests to me that they are very concerned that the recount will reveal that they did not win fairly and squarely. It reminds me of Florida 2000.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
15. Except
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 01:27 PM
Dec 2016

That they gave her the $3.5 million price tag before the court rejected her demand for a state-wide hand recount, not the other way around.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,355 posts)
19. Not disputing that it went up
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 02:32 PM
Dec 2016

Just pointing out that in Palmer's story, he says that the court ruled first (he doesn't mention that they ruled against Stein) and that then when she wasn't stopped by the court, Wisconsin raised the price tag. That's not how it happened, unless there was a court ruling other than the one related to hand recounts that happened before the price went up. If there was, I haven't heard of it, but maybe I missed it.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
20. it seems everything happened in just a few days:
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016
Nov 29th

Elections commission: Presidential recount to cost $3.5 million, expected to uphold Donald Trump win

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections-commission-presidential-recount-to-cost-million-expected-to-uphold/article_db4c720b-e3a6-52b3-93f5-799e08d3e998.html

Wisconsin election officials estimated Monday it would cost $3.5 million to recount every presidential vote, while expressing confidence it would uphold Republican Donald Trump’s surprise win in Wisconsin, which helped him become president-elect.



Nov 30th

Judge denies request for hand recount of Wisconsin's presidential election results

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/the-wisconsin-recount-is-officially-on-after-jill-stein-submits/article_527e4a4b-4840-579b-a56c-10ab0c4a334f.html

Recount could cost nearly $4M
The amount quoted to the Stein campaign was about $400,000 cheaper than the actual statewide cost estimate of $3.9 million. A spokesman for the Elections Commission said the estimate was based on a tabulation error of the 72 county estimates.
 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
16. $6,894,504.75 RAISED
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 01:51 PM
Dec 2016
Here are the estimated filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $3.5 million by Nov 25 (ADJUSTED Nov 28 to $3.5 million)
Pennsylvania: $500,000 by Nov 28
Michigan: $975,000 by Nov 30


Those are estimated filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law, which can often be difficult to untangle. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $9-10 million.

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

BainsBane

(54,777 posts)
28. Yet she just dropped her petition in PA
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:33 AM
Dec 2016

because she didn't want to use 1 million of the 6.9 million to pay the fees there. WI alone can't change the results of the GE. PA has to be part of the recount. What is she using all that money for? And why is she asking for more if she isn't pursuing the statewide count in PA?

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
30. She went to the place and they were charging her an unexpected 1 million fee that was not
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:03 AM
Dec 2016

mentioned before. Bond money. Which they said they needed right there and then.

So she's going a different way in Pennsylvania and to go (do the recounts) by precincts until the difference b/w Ttump & HRC hit 0.5%. Then the State has to do a full state vote audit/recount.

Not dropped.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
33. Wisconsin recount results day 2 "Trump is up 2 votes". Keep those donations coming!!!!!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:03 AM
Dec 2016

I'll say it again, colossal waste of time and money. Am i the only Democrat that is embarrassed by this?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
43. No. At this point it's really sad.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 07:56 PM
Dec 2016

There is no chance that this will do anything other than waste time. And more importantly, it distracts from the very real issues of voter suppression and gerrymandering that can be addressed.

 

frankieallen

(583 posts)
36. Just curious, if Jill Stein doesn't spend all these millions on recounts, what happens to all
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:14 AM
Dec 2016

that money? Is she going to give it back?

Hmm, maybe i should start a recount campaign.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
58. what rule?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:22 PM
Dec 2016

I know what Greg Palast told Thom Hartman, I want to see the rule and the safeguards. What happens to the excess money? I say Stein is going to embezzle it.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
52. She had the money,
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:03 PM
Dec 2016

and the $12 million for Michigan will come out of the state treasury. She also has more than enough money for legal fees.
I noticed she took down the disclaimer that money not used will be used for Green Party use. Problem is, the Green Party cut all ties to her.
What isn't spent on this will go into Stein's pocket.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
56. not against the principle of the recount,
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:20 PM
Dec 2016

I just don't like seeing well-meaning people get ripped off.
In the long term, all the Republicans have to do is find some guy claiming to be a Trump elector who got death threats in addition to a pointless recount, guess what their campaign will be based on? Who to say that Stein isn't working with Trump and the Republicans to do just that?
Stein already said she would prefer Trump over Hillary. She said it on C SPAN.
No, I don't Stein. She gives speeches about democracy and human rights, but sung the praises of a totalitarian dictator after he croaked.
If massive fraud and ballot stuffing is exposed great. Anything short of that will be used against us later on.

MichMan

(13,187 posts)
59. Why doesn't she pay Michigan back for all their costs then ?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:24 PM
Dec 2016

Stein is only paying a small portion of the costs in Michigan leaving taxpayers responsible for $$$millions. She is paying $900K while the estimated cost is expected to be $4 million.

Each individual county will be responsible for any costs above and beyond. I live in a small rural county. Really pleased it will cause my county to make cuts to services we all need.

Stein, is more than likely planning on walking away with a few million and sticking us with the bill

MichMan

(13,187 posts)
63. clickbait !!
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:51 PM
Dec 2016

Nothing on that clickbait site addresses the point I made. She is paying only a fraction of what it will cost our state to perform the recount sticking our local counties with the tab.

Please explain why you think that is acceptable instead of posting a worthless website with FAQ that don't address this issue

MichMan

(13,187 posts)
65. I did, Stein is only paying fraction of what the taxpayers of Michigan are stuck paying.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 07:07 PM
Dec 2016

You have yet to provide any reasonable proof that Stein is paying the full cost. This has been widely discussed here in Michigan since the recount was announced.


The Green Party nominee’s attorneys left a $973,250 check at the state Bureau of Elections to cover her legally required fees for seeking a recount of 6,300 precincts.

Secretary of State Ruth Johnson said Wednesday the recount cost could total $5 million, leaving the state and county governments on the hook for the remaining $4 million.

Johnson’s recount estimate is based on Wisconsin’s estimated $3.5 million cost for its recount, which, unlike Michigan, is being done largely by machine with 1.9 million fewer ballots.

Jessica Clarke, an attorney for the Massachusetts doctor, suggested Wednesday the Stein campaign may be willing to cover some additional costs. But she wouldn’t commit to the full sum.

“Right now, no one knows what the cost of the recount is going to be,” Clarke said. “Our intent is to do what we can to cover the cost of the recount.”


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/recount/94667998/
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
60. How much went to the two organizations she was sending people to?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:28 PM
Dec 2016

She originally stated that those funds would go toward the recount and that there was no limit to donations.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
62. Jill Stein needs more recount donations to overcome Wisconsins malicious price hike
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:44 PM
Dec 2016

Jill Stein was initially told by Wisconsin officials that the recount would cost approximately $1.1 million. But after the state tried and largely failed to sabotage her in court to prevent a hand recount from happening, it’s now trying a new approach: charging an insane amount of money for each of the counties that have agreed to do hand recounts. According to Wisconsin’s official election website, at the time this article is being written, Stein is now on the hook for $3,898,340 instead of the mere $1.1 million she was told.

Stein has already received more than $6.8 million in donations, so she has enough cash on hand to pay Wisconsin’s sudden ransom. But to do, she’ll have to tap into the funds that she had initially raised to pay for the Michigan and Pennsylvania recount fees, as well as the attorney fees which will be required to fight those two states to force the recounts. In other words, because she’s now being sabotaged by the Republican officials running Wisconsin, she legitimately needs more money than has been raised up to this point. Stein’s donation page is still active, for those who believe in the recount cause and are in a position to donate.

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/jill-stein-needs-recount-donation-overcome-wisconsins-malicious-price-hike/348/



So please if you can donate here is the link: https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

$6,876,840.51 RAISED --- GOAL: $9,500,000.00

ancianita

(38,541 posts)
68. She should appeal to the court that this amounts to a shakedown and the state must pay for
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:20 PM
Dec 2016

checking for errors.

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