Hopefully those blaiming Bernie for Hillary's Liss will remember we are all on the same side.

a class act.

Mahalo, hueymahl!

Posting from my cell. Didn't see the little pictures till you pointed it out. Thanks!

....she was a great asset to the Clinton campaign.

telling that, George.

I can tell by her tweets that she's concerned about her country, its people, and our Planet.

Not selfish at all

....he settled into his new home that he bought the day after the Convention.

Just wanted to get some facts out here but that's too tough I guess.

Sad that.

to 5, she!

Thank you so much for your part!

and here's BS' press Sec to verify.

....months before the first primary/caucus occurred? We all know the answer.

I've mentioned this before, I never gave the Sanders campaign any of my contact information, but the first day AFTER the Sanders hack of Clinton's DNC voter data I started getting 2, 3, as many as FIVE emails every day from the Sanders campaign.

...biased the nomination process to the extent that they affected the outcome of the election, and that's a good thing. Our election process is just fine; one of the best in the world if you don't count Republican attempts at voter suppression.

Hillary didn't win the nomination because of elections shenanigans and she didn't lose the general election because of election fraud either. Enough of the damn conspiracy theories. Some folks on this board are starting to act like right fringe conspiracy theorists and that not a group that anyone wants to be compared with.

of the EC, then they need to be calling for the end of Super Delegates too. If not, then they're hypocrites.

If they Republicans had been smart enough to institute the system. That's why the system exists in the Democratic Party - to kept to keep an uprising by the rank and file of the party from nominating someone who has no chance of becoming President of the United States or because of character or other issues has no right to occupy the White House.

As it was the Super Delegates never hurt Bernie - instead the system prolonged his candidacy into the convention when it could have, probably should have been dead long before.

Please explain how Bernie, who only received a handful of SDs managed to prolong his candidacy because of them?

Every delegate count that was shown included Hillary's SD count and put her further ahead than she was in the voter delegate count.

The Bernie bashing has turned into Bernie blaming.

None of it helps to reconcile and reunify the party. It's so sad.

the Hillary blaming?

None of it helps to reconcile and reunify the party. It's so sad.

failure.

Only Uretsky and one other stafter were let go. Uretsky created the other two accounts:

....into the DNC database and zero in on Clinton's voter data, stealing thousands of records.

This summer my friend recommended a carpenter to us to do some work. In your eyes that means he was then free to break into our house and steal?

you're making a flawed analogy to make it look like this was some sinister attempt.

Sanders campaign warned the DNC the first time it happened. Uretsky made the bad mistake of trying to show evidence that the wall was down and data was vulnerable. It was wrong but he didn't download any data and the Sanders campaign never had any intention of taking the data to use it in a nefarious way.


Again. Nothing was stolen Uretsky was hired just a couple months before this on the DNCs recommendations and the recommendations of the company who failed to maintain the firewall.

You should check into this more thoroughly, the four people involved did download data.

If it wasn't a "sinister" attempt, why did the four each spend about two hours in the system? If Uretsky was just trying to show that the data was vulnerable, he could have done that in five minutes by himself.

If nothing was "stolen" or downloaded, why did I coincidentally begin receiving emails from the Sanders Campaign (who I never contacted before that) at an email address that I only used for political purposes?

Chronology:

The data was hacked on December 16 last year.

The first email I received from Sanders' campaign, via "Democracy for America", was December 17.

The second was December 18 - here is the first half of it:

"The Democratic National Committee just did the unthinkable: Only a few short weeks before Iowa, they've completely shut down the Sanders campaign's access to the DNC's 50 state voter file -- all because of a security error made by a third party vendor.

There is simply no excuse for this. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC know who was responsible for the problem, but they chose to attack the campaign that discovered it rather than hold the vendor responsible. And as a result, they've completely crippled the Sanders campaign's ability to do voter outreach in the run up to the first major vote of the presidential contest.

This is more than a mistake on the part of the DNC -- it is a direct attack on the democratic process. Tell Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC to give access to the voter file back to the Sanders campaign immediately.

The voter file contains contact information about potential Democratic primary voters across the country. Campaigns rely on it to conduct their get-out-the-vote efforts. By taking away access to the voter file, the DNC has crippled the Sanders campaign and its ability to mobilize grassroots activists to identify supporters."

They were locked and loaded with this when they went into the database.

And I never signed up either.

And Uretsky created 2 of the four accounts as part of his effort to show that the breach was real. So he was responsible for 3 of the 4 accounts. Only one other person was involved and they let that person goes as well.

DNC Communications Director Ordered Anti-Sanders Article Be Shared 'Without Attribution'

Hannah Gold - 07/23/16 05:30PM
Filed to: DNC HACK


On Friday, Wikileaks published an email exchange between Western Regional Communicators Director for the Democratic Party Walter Garcia and DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, in which Miranda requests an article critical of Bernie Sanders be covertly shared, “without attribution” to the DNC.



https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756968126001115136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


The article, by Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston, pushed a narrative that Bernie Sanders supporters were becoming violent and out of control and that Sanders was partly responsible.

The article was published on May 17, one day after the New York Times reported that Sanders supporters threw chairs at the Nevada Democratic Party’s convention and threatened the convention’s chairwoman, Roberta Lange.

http://gawker.com/dnc-communications-director-ordered-anti-sanders-articl-1784191906

Hillary's data.

write them to cut it out and they didn't so I blocked them as SPAM.

Thanks for the reminder, George.. coincidence? nah.

BS' crew hacked the DNC and it's the DNC's fault? BULLSHIT

Real "courage" would have been saying that before the convention, on a televised interview.

Thank you!

emails were written at the end of April and in May 2016, at a point when Bernie had no mathematical chance of winning the majority of pledged delegates. They were "conspiring" to try to figure out how to support Hillary -- the then inevitable winner -- even though Bernie was determined to hang on to the bitter end.

At that point DT had already been acknowledged as the winner on the Rethug side and HRC was being handicapped by having to fight a campaign on two fronts at once -- for no good reason since Bernie had zero chance of winning.

Let me ask you something: How has demonizing Bernie and his supporters worked for you so far? Here's a hint - It's a stupid strategy.

(or other Bernie supporters) demonizing Hillary. Just the opposite in fact. The problem has been the demonizing of the liberal base of the democratic party (who primarily supported Bernie).

In my attempts to convince others to vote for Hillary, I was bombarded with all the reasons why they wouldn't vote for her.

Take the hiring of DWS by the Clinton campaign as an example. The Bernie supporters knew for months that the game was rigged. The press was rigged. The debates, the databases, everything. They endured terrible accusations of being sore losers and conspiracy theorists. They were called Bernie Bros and derided in demeaning ways. Then the emails were released, and the collusion between the Hillary camp, the DNC and the media was fully exposed, justifying the accusations made by Bernie supporters. The scandal was so big, DWS (and other top DNC brass) had to resign. Within moments of her resignation, Clinton hired her for her campaign. In that moment, I looked at my friends who were with me and said, "Holy shit! What the fuck is she thinking?? She just lost the election!" The tone-deafness, the insensitivity toward Bernie-loving democrats was fatal to her campaign.

You can deny that. You can blame Bernie and his crowd all you want. But guess what? She lost. And I'm pretty mad about it because now we are stuck with Donald fucking Trump. So don't go blaming BERNIE and his supporters!

that would merit that label.

And DWS resigned because she only had a few weeks left in her job anyway, and she didn't want the attention focused on her, and away from Hillary, in an important time for the campaign.

You want the answers to your own question? Google it. It's quite easy. Visit twitter and search it. Go to wikileaks and read them. And above all, open your mind and your heart, and perhaps you will find the truth you seek.

I'm not going to do the research for you. I will say this though, and I mean this with the best of intentions - blaming Bernie and his supporters is a pretty bad tactic.

The democrats lost an election they should've won in a landslide. At this point, do you really think this kind of in-fighting helps?

You have been the one making a claim and it's your job to support it -- I can't read your mind. You claimed some of the emails were "scandalous" without being able to provide a single example.

That's telling.

If you do decide to look at them again, pay attention to the dates. Anything written at the end of April or in May would have been written at a point when it was mathematically impossible for Bernie to win the majority of pledged delegates. DWS trying to support Hillary at that point made perfect sense. What didn't make sense was Bernie fighting on till the convention.

Their resignation was a display of self-sacrifice in a hail mary pass to bring petulant holdouts back into the fold.

Since I answered your questions, can you answer what, specifically, in an email from DWS herself was so horrible that it cost Sanders the election?

serve some psychological purpose because there are so many of them around. Staying in denial only assures republican wins for the foreseeable future, so if that's what you want, continue to bury your heads in the sand.

This kind of OP is a straw man, a logical fallacy. Say something that's not even pertinent, pretend it is the issue, don't even back it up with facts or figures (a true effrontery), and then everyone jump on the bandwagon saying "hear, hear."


Thank you, FourScore, for posting this link, because this is what the real issue is. The underlying, essential issue is that Bernie was handicapped at every step of the way--and he still turned out millions all over the country. Poll after poll, survey after survey showed that he would have beat Trump hands down.

I'm not buying into these pathetic attempts to remake history. It's actually disgusting to see people try to evade responsibility for their actions, especially when they were warned.


Cher

Enjoy the view:




Cher

And there's that.

Also, isn't Democratic Primary 2016 WAY OVER? Bernie Sanders has moved on and at this point, one would think considering what's ahead with Donald Trump -- maybe, just maybe folks attention would be laser focused on that.

OR helping with a #Recount2016 Efforts in Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin....

you don't want to hear.

Sid

I wish this had been said months ago.

Hey Rad!

Thanks

Too many getting carried away with blaming BS' loss on the DNC.

Ridiculous.

Thank you!

That said, this puts it finally to bed. He lost. . .I knew it. I didn't argue what Bernie or Bust people did because there were bigger enemies to fry.

But you really need to see my facebook feed. Bernie people there are now calling him a sellout.

Christ all Friday.

Mostly, they like using the phrases "Republicrat" and "Democran"

You get the jist. STupid shit.

And, thank you for supporting Hillary in the GE.

against Donnie Dipshit, not FOR her. I settled for her as the nominee. Would rather have had Bernie, but someone I agree with 40% of the time is better than someone I agree with 0% of the time.

So, while I voted for her, I was voting against him. The difference between voting smiling and voting holding your nose.

Thanks Cha - somehow we usually find ourselves on the same side.

How you doin'?

And you?

in the same boat on the same journey.

It hit us all over the Planet but we're bouncing back.. thank Goodness. That night was bloody awful.

Other than Bernie not having total DNC backing.I don't think Hillary colluded with anyone but the DNC seemed to not push Bernie as much.

on some history here..



And, Hillary did break the glass ceiling.. She is more than just a president.

Thank you!

This excuse needs to be put down permanently. Bernie didn't lose because Hillary, the DNC, or DWS stole the election. It is very harmful to the party to keep such bogus claims front and center. Our focus needs to be elsewhere.

K&R

to correct that disinformation.

Thank you!

and the claims he was cheated and the claims he would have won. Good info to have thank you Cha!

Thank you!

Sanders was never a real threat to get the nomination and so the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves. VOX had a good article on the potential lines of attack that Sanders would be exposed to if Sanders was the nominee. http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10903404/gop-campaign-against-sanders One of the more interesting observations in the VOX analysis is the fact that Sanders have been treated with kids gloves compared to what Sanders would face if he was the Democratic nominee. I strongly agree with the VOX's position that the so-called negative attacks against Sander have been mild. Form the article:

right.

Thank you for all this additional information.. there's plenty more where this came from. Al Giordano tweeted he's seen the oppo research on BS and it's devastating.

He never did release his taxes, either, like trump.

Hillary.. what, released 25 years of tax returns? She was transparent and they shredded her.

She won Dems 64-35 in the primaries.

Had it not been for open/semi-open primaries, it would have been a complete blowout. As it was, she won by double digits.

This isn't complicated. Only those with an ax to grind are making it so.

Source for numbers: http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

for truth!

Mahalo, mcar!

If there are Bernie supporters who are insisting in dnc taking him down....at this point in time.....

Quit ruminating and move on. We have much bigger fish to fry.

Hi!

Yeah they were saying on another thread that BS didn't win 'cause .. DNC-rigged.

So I remembered what Symone had said after the primary and had to do an OP on it.

Thank you!

Honest to god!!! Really? ?!?!! Glad you posted this then.

Hugs to you, Cha!

in Flames and they are worried about .. THIS?!?!!?? Which didn't happen.

Hugs, Agador!

Is you may not know it's stolen.
Don't be so cock sure.
Who would notice vote padding in Mississippi?
Louisiana? Wyoming?

K & R