2016 Postmortem

rainy

(6,208 posts) Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:34 AM Dec 2016

Imagine tables turned, Trump won the popular vote and lost the electoral college. He calls for

a recount in swing states. The media would be cheering him on, reporting all the places where more votes were recorded than people who actually showed up to vote. They'd be talking about all the double votes. They'd be talking about all the rejected votes and scrubbed rolls. Trump would be constantly screaming about crooked Hillary and all the cheating and lying etc..... People would be out in the streets ready to fight. They'd be at the election headquarters causing havoc egged on by the press and allowed to be there without any harm coming to them.

Why no interviews with the tech scientists who say the results are impossible? Why not tell about the discrepancies?

WE ALL KNOW WE'D BE HEARING ABOUT IT 24/7 IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED!

Makes me sick.

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Imagine tables turned, Trump won the popular vote and lost the electoral college. He calls for (Original Post) rainy Dec 2016 OP

Not much of a story...The tech scientists who were "supsicious" have already commented: jmg257 Dec 2016 #1

If you continue reading Haldermann, he goes on spooky3 Dec 2016 #9

Um, so why are Republicans filing lawsuits to stop all the recounts? SunSeeker Dec 2016 #10

Yep - agreed. More then anything recounts jmg257 Dec 2016 #11

Meanwhile, at DU, everybody would accuse him of being a sore loser Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #2

Can you imagine the shitstorm faux news would whip up? Va Lefty Dec 2016 #3

If that were the case, we'd see a massive uptick in Snarkoleptic Dec 2016 #4

... and we'd be saying that not accepting the vote is undermining the Constitution. Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #5

There is no way that Hillary could have won the Electoral College BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #6

We'd be giving him a lot of grief for doing so oberliner Dec 2016 #7

I can only speak for myself Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #8

We've known the media... JSup Dec 2016 #12

jmg257

(11,996 posts)

1. Not much of a story...The tech scientists who were "supsicious" have already commented:

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:40 AM

Dec 2016

"Were this year’s deviations from pre-election polls the results of a cyberattack? Probably not. I believe the most likely explanation is that the polls were systematically wrong, rather than that the election was hacked."

J. Halderman
https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.168pwqmmx

Other scientists weighted in too:

"Some data scientists and political statisticians, including FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver and The New York Times’ Nate Cohn, cast doubt on the claims, which compared voting in counties that used paper ballots with those that used electronic machines. Silver and Cohn said the suspicious results disappear when controlling for demographic factors like race and education"

spooky3

(36,204 posts)

9. If you continue reading Haldermann, he goes on

Reply to jmg257 (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:22 PM

Dec 2016

to say that he doesn't believe either of these unlikely explanations is overwhelmingly more likely than the other, then says that the only way to know is do a thorough recount, which he urged candidates to initiate right away.

SunSeeker

(53,660 posts)

10. Um, so why are Republicans filing lawsuits to stop all the recounts?

Reply to jmg257 (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:33 PM

Dec 2016

If it's a nothingburger, they should welcome the recounts to cement their victory instead of leaving these questions hanging.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)

11. Yep - agreed. More then anything recounts

Reply to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:37 PM

Dec 2016

Would add legitimacy.

Strange.

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)

2. Meanwhile, at DU, everybody would accuse him of being a sore loser

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:46 AM

Dec 2016

People here would be complaining that he is wasting money on a recount, instead of admitting defeat.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)

3. Can you imagine the shitstorm faux news would whip up?

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 09:56 AM

Dec 2016

Snarkoleptic

(6,027 posts)

4. If that were the case, we'd see a massive uptick in

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:06 AM

Dec 2016

hate crimes, nazi rhetoric/normalization, emboldened racists acting out in public, etc.
Oh wait...we got that regardless.

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)

5. ... and we'd be saying that not accepting the vote is undermining the Constitution.

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 10:22 AM

Dec 2016

Yeah, we were 12 hours away from that scenario, and DU made their position really clear. And, we're hypocrites.

BlueMTexpat

(15,496 posts)

6. There is no way that Hillary could have won the Electoral College

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:42 AM

Dec 2016

and lost the popular vote. The results in CA would have reinforced her lead.

But yes, I understand the point of your post in that Trump's people would NEVER have accepted it had the impossible situation of her winning the EC and the popular vote been the reality.

In fact, even if there is a miracle and enough votes flip in the recount and/or enough faithless electors flip to her, Trump supporters STILL won't accept it. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

7. We'd be giving him a lot of grief for doing so

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:44 AM

Dec 2016

Would we not?

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)

8. I can only speak for myself

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:11 PM

Dec 2016

But I truly believe in the concept that if the laws can't work for the worst of us, they can't work for the best of us. If positions were reversed, I would be supporting it being looked into. Considering how I feel about Trump, I definitely wouldn't personally contribute to the recount effort (as I did for Stein), but I would support it happening nonetheless.

JSup

(740 posts)

12. We've known the media...

Reply to rainy (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:03 PM

Dec 2016

...isn't our friend since OWS; at least that's when I discovered it.

Can you imagine all of the news stories a Trump Presidency will bring? Liberal media, my ass.

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