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NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:10 PM Dec 2016

The argument that White male Obama voters...

Last edited Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Turned around and came out for Trump because of his economic message this time around has been completely destroyed. It's as false as a narrative can be. The narrative is being pushed by the exact same group who were flailing all around throughout the primary when it came to excusing a monolithic campaign that ignored the concerns of the Democratic base.

Women, POC, LGBQT.... all underrepresented in government from dog catcher up and we are now being lectured to on how more resources need to be devoted to getting the conservative and uneducated white male vote. These people scream Manchin from the rooftops as an example of why the party is so bad and too far to the right all while wanting to coddle conservative white males.

The number of white males who voted for Obama and then Trump cannot be quantified. Even if it could we know the numbers are small. We also know that small number cannot be explained by the bullshit claim it was Trumps economic message.

They are also a statistically diminishing breed. We have larger numbers to go after. Clinton ran an excellent campaign, it is a fools game claiming she did not have an economic message for white rural voters and that she didn't deliver it. It was a regular topic in her speaches. If anything more resources should have been allocated toward the shifting party base. Those who are being systemically oppressed.

And for the meme that I'm claiming Clinton can do no wrong, you've read that no where in my writings. I've never discussed her in terms of once being a carpenter.

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The argument that White male Obama voters... (Original Post) NCTraveler Dec 2016 OP
. Squinch Dec 2016 #1
The only thing that I am aware of is that people who voted for Trump were well aware of his still_one Dec 2016 #2
Touche etherealtruth Dec 2016 #4
DU rec...nt SidDithers Dec 2016 #3
K & R ...... nt Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #5
Thank you, NCTraveler. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #6
Kick! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #7
At 9:45 in this video you meet an Obama voting family that voted Trump NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #8
Luv Van Jones, I wish he'd run for DNC Chair Dems to Win Dec 2016 #9
He's awesome! He'd be good in the position. Howard Dean would be good to come back too NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #10
That video does absolutely nothing to bolster the argument... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #11
Ok. So how do you explain 200 counties across the country that voted for president obama yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #12
It's the number of Obama voters that voted Trump that are of concern andym Dec 2016 #13
You are arguing two unconectable items. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #15
No I am not. I am describing the real concern which are potential voters who switched. andym Dec 2016 #16
K&R mcar Dec 2016 #14
YOU are my hero!!! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #17

still_one

(96,541 posts)
2. The only thing that I am aware of is that people who voted for Trump were well aware of his
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:20 PM
Dec 2016

positions on racism, sexism, and xenophobia.

People should be able to draw their own conclusions from that

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
8. At 9:45 in this video you meet an Obama voting family that voted Trump
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:52 PM
Dec 2016

That whole family of Obama voters voted for Trump this time.




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/01/van_jones_on_the_view_democrats_have_a_problem_with_elitism_give_trump_a_chance_but_not_a_pass.html


People need to watch the whole video and listen to Van Jones...he is RIGHT.
 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
9. Luv Van Jones, I wish he'd run for DNC Chair
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:03 PM
Dec 2016

Great video. If Democrats ever want to win, everyone needs to listen to Van.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
10. He's awesome! He'd be good in the position. Howard Dean would be good to come back too
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:08 PM
Dec 2016

His 50 state approach is what is NEEDED.

Van is so right about the elitism in the Democratic Party. That attitude has turned many off and is responsible for driving rural voters straight to the GOP.

To be honest, that elitism attitude is a form of bigotry...with certain members looking down on and thinking they are better than others. It's disgusting and just as offensive as any other form of bigotry. It needs to stop.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. That video does absolutely nothing to bolster the argument...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:13 PM
Dec 2016

Or the false narrative being presented by some.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. Ok. So how do you explain 200 counties across the country that voted for president obama
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:27 PM
Dec 2016

Now voted for trump?

andym

(5,683 posts)
13. It's the number of Obama voters that voted Trump that are of concern
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 04:28 PM
Dec 2016

not necessarily just white males. But your post lacks evidence, here is some for you regarding Obama voters who voted Trump.

These former Obama strongholds sealed the election for Trump
By Kevin Uhrmacher, Kevin Schaul and Dan Keating
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/

"Across swing states — and others previously thought to be safe for Democrats — Trump colored dozens of counties red that hadn’t gone Republican in decades.
....
Of the nearly 700 counties that twice sent Obama to the White House, a stunning one-third flipped to support Trump.
....
Trump also won 194 of the 207 counties that voted for Obama either in 2008 or 2012.
By contrast, of those 2,200 counties that never supported Obama, Clinton was only able to win six. That’s just 0.3 percent crossover to the Democratic side."

Trump counties where:
Obama won twice -- dark orange
Obama won once -- light orange
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andym

(5,683 posts)
16. No I am not. I am describing the real concern which are potential voters who switched.
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 05:07 PM
Dec 2016

some white male voters are a subset of voters who switched. Your logic is flawed. Of course, it is possible to approximate how many voters did the switch by a combination of corrected exit polls and actual vote numbers per location. Breakdown by ethnicity is possible as well. Because it is statistical it will not be 100% accurate, but the data will have a confidence margin strong enough to draw conclusions. Your post has no data, just statements of "fact" without support, and therefore is itself completely unsupported.

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