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Why do so many people blame millennials for Trump's election? (Original Post) NobodyHere Dec 2016 OP
Good question Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #1
Because the margin was so thin fingers can be pointed in any direction... JHB Dec 2016 #2
Excellent answer Va Lefty Dec 2016 #3
And generally those fingers are pointed everywhere else mythology Dec 2016 #15
because as of yet, there isn't a serious commitment to facing what happened, and fixing it nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #4
They voted for Clinton NobodyHere Dec 2016 #5
I'm not talking about Millennials NRQ891 Dec 2016 #11
Sorry bout that NobodyHere Dec 2016 #25
Cheer up, Millennials! raging moderate Dec 2016 #6
Like other demographics HassleCat Dec 2016 #7
Yet they did support Clinton NobodyHere Dec 2016 #8
It's easier than thinking. n/t QC Dec 2016 #9
Because many of them "weren't excited" so they didn't bother to vote CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #10
Amazing how, despite "plenty of blame to go around", it rarely seems to spread far enough to cover Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #14
this Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #23
This is pretty much it. J_William_Ryan Dec 2016 #18
Hillary won the popular vote True_Blue Dec 2016 #12
That's like my saying "my team is world champions because they have the most fans". Exilednight Dec 2016 #35
I don't disagree with you True_Blue Dec 2016 #38
because dinner isn't until 5:30 Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #13
It's the only group with declining participation that also favored Sanders in the primaries FBaggins Dec 2016 #16
It's a shame that you have to put a sarcasm thing on a post with some validity to it. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #19
I live in Ohio I am white and from listening to other white working class voters on doc03 Dec 2016 #17
Point out the times where white people disobey, fight back, or even shoot at cops forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #27
We had an incident here where a white guy threatened to kill his family and himself. doc03 Dec 2016 #29
"When will they learn to do what they are told to do?" GOOD GOD!!! BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #20
3rd way must blame everything but themselves jfern Dec 2016 #21
Not Enough Of Them Did otohara Dec 2016 #22
and Killer Mike will get a tax cut dsc Dec 2016 #24
At least they didn't vote for Trump in massive numbers like the Boomers did. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #26
b/c so many Internet natives are oblivious to its inherent misogyny malchickiwick Dec 2016 #28
People are looking for a scapegoat meow2u3 Dec 2016 #30
It's silly, although Clinton did a little worse among young voters compared to Obama. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #31
It really boggles the mind that Trump was worse among Latinos NobodyHere Dec 2016 #33
That surprised me too! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #34
Favorability and Unfavorability ratings play a big role in elections. Exilednight Dec 2016 #36
Because this place skews old TransitJohn Dec 2016 #32
Like me, you're a Gen xer. I often feel like I walked into Boomer Nation. Exilednight Dec 2016 #37

Lotusflower70

(3,093 posts)
1. Good question
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:04 PM
Dec 2016

I think because it's easy and lazy. Instead of trying to understand what went wrong, some people are looking for a scapegoat.

JHB

(37,414 posts)
2. Because the margin was so thin fingers can be pointed in any direction...
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:06 PM
Dec 2016

...and there's a case to be made for who to blame.

Thus, everybody with an axe to grind is grinding away.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. And generally those fingers are pointed everywhere else
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

There are lots of reasons Clinton lost, as a party we need to shift through which are viable to fix without losing our core values. A lot can be fixed via turnout and fighting voter suppression/gerrymandering.

NRQ891

(217 posts)
11. I'm not talking about Millennials
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:23 PM
Dec 2016

Millennials had nothing to do with this debacle.

I'm talking about the party's questionable commitment to working people

raging moderate

(4,502 posts)
6. Cheer up, Millennials!
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:16 PM
Dec 2016

Before long, you will be elbowing us oldsters aside to start running the world.

I thank God for you constantly.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
8. Yet they did support Clinton
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:19 PM
Dec 2016

What happened to everyone else?

I thought older was suppose to be wiser.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
10. Because many of them "weren't excited" so they didn't bother to vote
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:21 PM
Dec 2016

Because if they had, Trump won't have won in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

In other words for the same reason why Stein voters, ultra liberals couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary so they stayed home, and other groups who could have made a difference, but didn't are being blamed. There is plenty of blame to go around because the winning margin in those three states was razor thin.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
14. Amazing how, despite "plenty of blame to go around", it rarely seems to spread far enough to cover
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

the strategists on Hillary's campaign existing in a manhattan bubble, who wrote off the upper midwest until it was way too late

J_William_Ryan

(2,133 posts)
18. This is pretty much it.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:12 AM
Dec 2016

And not just Millennials – once again, as in 2000, Democrats abandoned their candidate, along with Democratic-leaning moderates and independents.

Not many, but just enough to lose the election.

It’s an old, tedious story that's been repeating itself for almost 50 years.

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
12. Hillary won the popular vote
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

I don't think any group is to blame except racists. Personally, I think Trump stole the election.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
35. That's like my saying "my team is world champions because they have the most fans".
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:56 PM
Dec 2016

We can only win the executive branch if we get 270 electoral votes.

She mismanaged the electoral map and now WE must pay the price.

True_Blue

(3,063 posts)
38. I don't disagree with you
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 12:21 AM
Dec 2016

I think she paid too much attention to the polls, which were wrong and showed solid red states like AZ leaning blue or toss up when they were actually still solid red. In the last couple of weeks of the election here in AZ, we had Hillary, Michelle, Chelsea, Kaine and Bernie 2xs, which turned out to be a huge waste. Seeing how far off the polls were this time maybe future strategies shouldn't focus on the polls so much. Maybe need to just ignore the traditionally solid red states and focus primarily on the rest of the country no matter what the polls say.

I think Dems underestimate the Republicans too much sometimes. If the race is even somewhat close then they can pull enough shenanigans to steal it. Republicans govern horribly, but they are masters at getting you to take your eye off the ball.

FBaggins

(27,708 posts)
16. It's the only group with declining participation that also favored Sanders in the primaries
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

Therefore the electoral loss is all Bernie's fault and not Clinton's.

See how easy that was?

doc03

(36,705 posts)
17. I live in Ohio I am white and from listening to other white working class voters on
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:58 AM
Dec 2016

on why they voted for Trump. I have come to believe there are two issues that really motivated white people to vote for Trump.

1. The BLM movement. With all of the incidents of police shooting blacks they feel that if the person had obeyed instructions from the officer they wouldn't have been shot.

2. Then there are police officers that have been shot, they also blame those on the BLM.


It boils down to racism, they believe blacks think they can break the law and shouldn't be arrested. I have heard over and
over "When will they learn to do what they are told to do?". Then I hear when a cop stops you put your hands on the wheel
and wait for the cop to tell you what to do. Don't go for your glove box to get your license or anything. So in their mind
it is their fault they got shot. They think a white person would also been shot but they follow instructions.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
27. Point out the times where white people disobey, fight back, or even shoot at cops
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:31 PM
Dec 2016

without getting shot.

But then, racism is cognitive dissonance so that probably won't work.

doc03

(36,705 posts)
29. We had an incident here where a white guy threatened to kill his family and himself.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:33 PM
Dec 2016

When the cops arrived he took them on a 40 mile high speed chase. The cops used nail strips to stop him but
he kept going until his engine blew. He gets out of his truck waving a gun around and pointing it to his head and
chest saying he would kill himself. He held the cops at bay and had a main highway closed to traffic for two hours
before he finally gave up. Well it was simple to them he didn't get shot because he never pointed the gun at the cops.
Like I said they have their minds set and you can't convince them otherwise. I posted that here on DU I think back in October
and was met with comments like you think they should have shot him.

 

BlueProgressive

(229 posts)
20. "When will they learn to do what they are told to do?" GOOD GOD!!!
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:28 AM
Dec 2016

Yeah, the slave-owners in this country were saying the same thing for over 200 years... literally....
and then, the segregationists after that...





 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
22. Not Enough Of Them Did
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:50 AM
Dec 2016

and I think you know that because it was widely reported.

Dissecting the Youth Vote
Americans under 30 years old leaned left in this election, but not to the extent that they have in the past.

Though voters ages 18-to-29 skewed liberal, more than a third did not: Fifty-five percent of young voters chose Clinton, down from the 60 percent that backed Obama in 2012, while 37 percent chose President-Elect Donald Trump.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/11/dissecting-the-youth-vote/507416/

As the mother of a Millennial who was friends with about 60 of his Jambase hipster/artists types on Facebook - the amount of Hillary hate they spread around was nauseating and the comments were worse. Sanders surrogates like Killer Mike and others did a bang up job of driving down turnout in the minority communities. They hung on to conspiracy theories. fake news and the endless hateful memes featuring Sec. Clinton.

dsc

(52,631 posts)
24. and Killer Mike will get a tax cut
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

and the gays and transgender people who he clearly hates will suffer so for him it is all good.

Ace Rothstein

(3,299 posts)
26. At least they didn't vote for Trump in massive numbers like the Boomers did.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:27 PM
Dec 2016

The Boomers have basically fucked up everything in this country since they came of age.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
28. b/c so many Internet natives are oblivious to its inherent misogyny
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:43 PM
Dec 2016

, and that inherent misogyny helps explain their "lack of enthusiasm" in the GE.

meow2u3

(24,921 posts)
30. People are looking for a scapegoat
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 06:59 PM
Dec 2016

because they know voting for tRump was socially unacceptable and had to blame someone other than themselves for falling for his pack of lies.
Those "soft" tRump voters are too bashful to admit they've been conned.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,042 posts)
31. It's silly, although Clinton did a little worse among young voters compared to Obama.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 07:09 PM
Dec 2016

I was just comparing the 2012 and 2016 exit polls.
2012: http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president/
2016: http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

Here's some of my observations of how Clinton performed compared to Obama:

GENDER
Worse among men
Better among women

AGE
Worse among 18-29
Better among 30-44
Worse among 45-64
Better among 65 and older

RACE
Same among whites (!!)
Worse among blacks
Worse among Latinos
Worse among Asians
Worse among other race

EDUCATION
Worse among high school or less (BY FAR!!)
Worse among some college
Better among college grads
Better among post-grads

INCOME
Worse among voters earning less than 50k
Better among voters earning more than 50k

MARITAL STATUS
Better among married
Worse among unmarried

RELIGION
Worse among Protestants
Worse among Catholics
Better among Jewish (Maybe because Trump is Hitler?)
Worse among Other Religion
Worse among No religion

WHITE "BORN AGAIN" CHRISTIANS
Worse among "yes" (there's an open SC seat on the line)
Better among "no" (but close to the same)

UNION HOUSEHOLD
Worse among "yes"
Worse among "no"

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
Worse among "offer legal status"
Worse among "deport"

FAVORABLE / UNFAVORABLE OPINION of Clinton and Obama
Much worse (Obama's favorable percentage stayed about the same in the 2012 & 2016 polls too)

More detail about EDUCATION:
High school or less:
24% of voters in 2012: Obama 53%, Romney 46%
18% of voters in 2016: Clinton 46%, Trump 51%
Some college:
29% of voters in 2012: Obama 49%, Romney 48%
32% of voters in 2016: Clinton 43%, Trump 51%

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
33. It really boggles the mind that Trump was worse among Latinos
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:43 PM
Dec 2016

Given all the racist comments that he made.

Was Romney really more horrible? Or was Clinton just not that appealing?

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,042 posts)
34. That surprised me too!
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:50 PM
Dec 2016

Clinton was viewed far less favorably compared to Obama. Obama's percentages on that question remained about the same in 2012 and 2016, so it's not like the exit poll respondents had a change of heart about him (collectively).

The exit polls showed that Trump was viewed far less favorably compared to Romney too, but Trump won a bigger percentage of voters who viewed him unfavorably compared to Romney.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
36. Favorability and Unfavorability ratings play a big role in elections.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Dec 2016

If you're not likeable, you're probably not going to win. This was the first election I can remember where both parties candidates were upside down in favorability rating. Hillary's longer political history was the deciding factor. Sure, Trump has a history, but it's not in politics.

This is why I honestly believe that Bernie was a better candidate. His favorabilities were much higher than Hillary's. Sure, they may have dipped a little, but he just had to stay above Trump's.

TransitJohn

(6,933 posts)
32. Because this place skews old
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 08:07 PM
Dec 2016

Like, I'm 45 and feel out of touch on DU oftentimes. The culture of this board, by-and-large, really likes to complain about youth and how things are different now. Maybe I'm out to lunch, but that's a very large part of what I have gotten out of this place since joining in '04.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
37. Like me, you're a Gen xer. I often feel like I walked into Boomer Nation.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:11 PM
Dec 2016

Ironically, I blame boomers for much of what is wrong with the world.

Obama was the first Gen X president putting an end to the boomer rule. The first thing they do after Obama's two terms are over is run backwards to a boomer president who believes in boomer ideology. It's a generation that came late to the technology age, and has a bad habit of living in the past.

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