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How did the Democratic Party lose so bad? (Original Post) UCmeNdc Dec 2016 OP
they rigged the vote in WI, MI, and PA putitinD Dec 2016 #1
It's not looking that way BainsBane Dec 2016 #6
Detroit has 59% broken machines. that have been broken for 7 years putitinD Dec 2016 #7
Yes, I read that BainsBane Dec 2016 #8
Not this again. Go read what was 'broken' and the possible impact on the vote Amishman Dec 2016 #14
MI, WI, PA - too many voters in these states had a hissy fit. nt jonno99 Dec 2016 #2
Practice portlander23 Dec 2016 #3
Voter suppression, FBI, fake news La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #4
Nothing, we had more votes. The EC decided Trump would be the POTUS. Rex Dec 2016 #5
Blame the candidate not the FBI Budee Dec 2016 #9
Not when the FBI played a factor... not when VS played a role, not when Russia was cited .... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11
Not many people have been as hard on Hillary about the server than me here NWCorona Dec 2016 #12
Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10
We didn't. dawg Dec 2016 #13
This. Nt duffyduff Dec 2016 #15
Does that imply... GummyBearz Dec 2016 #16
No. dawg Dec 2016 #17

BainsBane

(54,771 posts)
8. Yes, I read that
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 05:26 PM
Dec 2016

and the MI recount may stop because the court ruled Stein doesn't have standing under MI law as an aggrieved party.

Amishman

(5,816 posts)
14. Not this again. Go read what was 'broken' and the possible impact on the vote
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:05 AM
Dec 2016

The cliff notes version is ballot scanners had feed problems and some ballots had to be run more than once. The possible outcome is that some ballots may have been counted more than once.

Since this is in blue Detroit, this could have given Hillary extra votes.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Nothing, we had more votes. The EC decided Trump would be the POTUS.
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 05:18 PM
Dec 2016

Nothing stopped the popular vote from winning, except for the EC which did not align with traditional voting practices. I think the bullshit with the FBI did not help nor did 13 completely bullshit investigations while HRC was running for office.

What really went wrong is we have a corrupt system that needs a huge overhall. The entire system.

 

Budee

(12 posts)
9. Blame the candidate not the FBI
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 05:58 PM
Dec 2016

Nobody forced HRC to have a private email server in her own home. Nobody forced HRC to do speeches for six figures. Nobody forced HRC to solicit donations to her own private charity from the same people that would benefit from her becoming president.

The optics looked bad because there was a reason for them to look bad. Maybe you will explain away why nothing I bring up matters. But tell the average person you know a candidate for president is going to do a series of speeches. And each one brings in more more money than they earn in a whole year.. Now tell them in no way is it a pay to play scheme that is essentially a bribe for access. Go ahead and tell me how many average voters think something is fishy. And oh yeah, tell them that this person is for the little guy.

uponit7771

(91,756 posts)
11. Not when the FBI played a factor... not when VS played a role, not when Russia was cited ....
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:20 AM
Dec 2016

... those are 3 things that are not in dispute

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
12. Not many people have been as hard on Hillary about the server than me here
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:41 AM
Dec 2016

But I'll be the first to say that the Comey letter was devastating and unnecessary other than to cause damage to Hillary's campaign.

dawg

(10,728 posts)
13. We didn't.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 07:56 AM
Dec 2016

We barely lost the Presidency. We picked up seats in the House and the Senate.

It sucks that we didn't win. But we'd be foolish to react as if we got blown away. Because we didn't.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
16. Does that imply...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:18 AM
Dec 2016

Does that imply our voters got out for the senate/house, but they just were not enthusiastic enough to vote for the presidential candidate?

dawg

(10,728 posts)
17. No.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 11:09 AM
Dec 2016

In some of the swing states, our other candidates under-performed Hillary.

But we did pick up seats this election, so it would be foolish for us to assume there was a wholesale rejection of our party.

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