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mfcorey1

(11,060 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:06 PM Dec 2016

It continues: Stricter voter identification law passes House ( Michigan)

Wednesday night as both a way to ensure the integrity of elections is upheld and a means to erect barriers for vulnerable and minority voters.

But in the end, Republicans who sponsored and supported the bills making voter identification laws more stringent, won the day, approving the main bill in the package on mostly party line votes of 57-50. Five Republicans joined all the Democrats in opposing the bill.

“This protects the integrity of every legal citizens’ right to vote and to make sure the fraudulent votes aren’t cast,” said state Rep. Gary Glenn, R-Midland. “It seems to be a common sense requirement.”


State Rep. Lisa Lyons, R-Alto, the sponsor of the bill said in every day life, people have to show their identification for the simplest of tasks and they should do the same for voting.


"This legislation is simple: in order to have your vote count, you have to prove that you are who you say you are," she said. "The legislation perseveres the integrity of our elections and will deter and detect fraud."

Democrats, though, said the bill will disenfranchise minorities, the disabled, homeless people and other vulnerable citizens, who will most likely be unable to vote if the law passes.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/stricter-voter-identification-law-house/95125576/

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It continues: Stricter voter identification law passes House ( Michigan) (Original Post) mfcorey1 Dec 2016 OP
Why don't we just do a drive to get treestar Dec 2016 #1
I totally agree! mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #2
AMEN underthematrix Dec 2016 #7
True but can be expensive. Many poorer people won't have the utility stubs or cash to pay for them. bettyellen Dec 2016 #3
now funding is easy to do treestar Dec 2016 #4
That and also follow up to make sure they aren't purged would go a long way. bettyellen Dec 2016 #5
Then Black Wealth needs to provide support to underthematrix Dec 2016 #8
Black people should fix this? bettyellen Dec 2016 #12
No this is not about black people fixing it. underthematrix Dec 2016 #16
But you're saying this is on black people to fix- problems white people bettyellen Dec 2016 #17
Look I'm 66 and I know white folks are not gonna fix underthematrix Dec 2016 #18
Let the DNC fund it. Make sure funding is not an issue. We go fund me everything else. If Jill mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #9
I've been saying this forever yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #6
Got a link on that talking point? Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #11
Actually the cost of forms needed to obtain the ID and transportation to the ID centers are the bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
Of course they really are not free. Poster was throwing out republican talking points. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #21
Did they change the law? The specific IDs are free but some of the places you have to go bettyellen Dec 2016 #22
So that makes them not free. Kingofalldems Dec 2016 #23
They'll just purge them, voter purging is the thing that needs to be fought first imho uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10
I thought we were doing well this year- with at least three states having last minute court cases we bettyellen Dec 2016 #13
The still used the purge software and now who's going to make them responsible uponit7771 Dec 2016 #14
How do they do that? treestar Dec 2016 #15
They have groups that appear to be about "voter integrity" bettyellen Dec 2016 #19
They sure do treestar Dec 2016 #24

treestar

(82,383 posts)
1. Why don't we just do a drive to get
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

ID for the disabled, minorities, homeless people and other vulnerable citizens? They are going to need them more and more and they are entitled to them. Most states likely have IDs for people who don't drive, I know we do. The DMV issues them just as an ID and they look like driver's licenses.

mfcorey1

(11,060 posts)
2. I totally agree!
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:12 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:07 PM - Edit history (1)

This is where the dems need to start their effort. Arm the people for the battle. If the repubs are going to seek to control the ballot, be ballot ready. Stop talking about why we lost and get to work.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. True but can be expensive. Many poorer people won't have the utility stubs or cash to pay for them.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:41 PM
Dec 2016

If the ID is required, it should be free and fairly simple to obtain.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
4. now funding is easy to do
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:44 PM
Dec 2016

look how easily Jill Stein got all that money. Crowd fund to pay for IDs for people. Now as to what it takes to prove your address, we could get them on mailing lists perhaps, depends on the state, but it could be done. There has to be at least a lease for people where they live, right? Then the homeless are another problem, but some way should be provided to show they are in the area.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
8. Then Black Wealth needs to provide support to
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:09 PM
Dec 2016

make sure folks have the funds needed to get the PROOF of IDENTITY they need to get IDs. We need a campaign that focuses on getting what the law requires and then we get people registered and to the polls for EVERY ELECTION!

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
16. No this is not about black people fixing it.
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:09 PM
Dec 2016

This is about black people taking care of black people, making sure every black person has the means to register to vote, registers and then votes. I expect Latino, Asian, Muslims, and Jews to do the same thing.

We need to be focused, purposeful, strategic with our eyes on the prize which is restoring our Democratic Republic that was overthrown on October 28, 2016.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. But you're saying this is on black people to fix- problems white people
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:28 PM
Dec 2016

Created. I'm embarrassed to read this crap here.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
18. Look I'm 66 and I know white folks are not gonna fix
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:33 PM
Dec 2016

something that advantages them. This is about being practical. We can't change it until we're in a position to change it.



mfcorey1

(11,060 posts)
9. Let the DNC fund it. Make sure funding is not an issue. We go fund me everything else. If Jill
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:11 PM
Dec 2016

Stein can raise millions for a recount, we can raise millions to id every democrat. No excuses will be accepted.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. I've been saying this forever
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

It seems better the just yakking how unfair it is. Most states have ids that are free so it may just take getting transportation to some who need it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. Actually the cost of forms needed to obtain the ID and transportation to the ID centers are the
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:41 PM
Dec 2016

Problem. Apparently if the IDs are required for voting they have to be free.



http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. Did they change the law? The specific IDs are free but some of the places you have to go
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:55 PM
Dec 2016

Are out of reach- some are open as few as four days a year!! That is crazy wrong.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
13. I thought we were doing well this year- with at least three states having last minute court cases we
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 03:47 PM
Dec 2016

Won. I guess there were a few I didn't hear about. Damn it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. They have groups that appear to be about "voter integrity"
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 05:35 PM
Dec 2016

And get them to go over the rolls (but they only do this in blue areas - often targeting POC. They look for any and every reason to drop people of the rolls. They are so sloppy about it because they cast a wide net. They were stopped by getting sued this year in Florida and NC I believe... the judges saw it was a last minute thing designed to strip people of their voting rights.
One group actually sent mailers, and counted those that came back as evidence the person did not reside there.
Others looked for the same name twice or the same name as someone who was incarcerated. Also people who had not voted in a few years could be purged- but again they did it at the last minute, so they could not get back in the rolls.
Did you know that in towns with large prisons they let them count prisoners as citizens, but don't allow them to vote? The GOP exploits every angle.

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