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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:49 PM Dec 2016

ICYMI - Did Russian hackers elect the U.S. president? Dont believe the hype.

Washington Post, Ryan C. Maness and Brandon Valeriano

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Two material facts have combined to create this latest cyber hysteria. First, we know that just over half of voters were disappointed at the results of the Nov. 8 election. Second, Russia hacked personal and campaign emails over the summer, along with voter rolls in some states, apparently to erode confidence in the American electoral system.

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Suggestions that Russia hacked the U.S. presidential election are unhelpful, as Russian capabilities do not extend that far. Hacking voting precincts would take physical manipulation of machines. Hackers would have to open and physically reprogram each voting machine in each targeted precinct, or swap in malware-infested voting cards to replace the original ones. This would take a legion of Russian spies betting on not getting caught — not a risk that a calculating Russian President Vladimir Putin would be likely to take.

We do know that the U.S. government warned the Kremlin before the election and made it clear that any meddling would be met with retaliation. Russia apparently stopped its email-hacking activities before the election. Some analysts argued that this move reflected a realization in Moscow that the election of Trump might not be at all helpful to Putin’s international ambitions. It’s also likely that U.S. actions, such as closing off WikiLeaks’ Internet access, were proportional responses that demonstrated U.S. resolve.

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Research by an Israeli team led by Michael Gross suggests that people’s fears of cyberterrorism are not significantly different from their fears about conventional terrorism. In fact, the threat of cyber violations provokes a biological reaction, as measured by increased stress. This suggests that the impact of cyber violations weighs more heavily in people’s minds and bodies than in reality.

That an election theoretically could be hacked does not mean that it was. The hypothetical possibilities inherent in digital attacks often far outweigh the actual extent of digital aggression.

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Read it all at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/11/24/did-russian-hackers-elect-the-u-s-president-dont-believe-the-hype/?utm_term=.ecbb79dacef2
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ICYMI - Did Russian hackers elect the U.S. president? Dont believe the hype. (Original Post) yallerdawg Dec 2016 OP
Current uproar is not about hacking the actual voting machines Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #1
Hillary talked about Russia working for Trump during debates. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #2
Hacking the emails. Seriously- this is NEW to you? Doubtful. bettyellen Dec 2016 #9
This is NEW to you? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #11
The endless stream of Wiki tweeting crap out of context- pretending to be unbiased? Sorry but a lot bettyellen Dec 2016 #12
Gather the evidence - not speculation and innuendo. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #15
Discussing reports of the investigation ordered by POTUS is a problem for you? bettyellen Dec 2016 #17
I have no problem discussing what was said. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #19
Could extend to that. triron Dec 2016 #3
No, I didn't take it that way either. marybourg Dec 2016 #4
This is classic rightwing Republican MO. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #7
Actually, that is a possibility. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #5
The article is categorically false about Russian capabilities and hacking voting machines KittyWampus Dec 2016 #6
Thank you, its the tabulators ... the red herring is the "voting machines" and they can be hacked uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8
The "tabulators." yallerdawg Dec 2016 #13
that's a non sequitir triron Dec 2016 #14
They've been hacked? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #16
Also not fact triron Dec 2016 #18
Are you suggesting... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #20
Cyberterrorism terrorism? HoneyBadgerDontCare Dec 2016 #10
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!%(#)%*@@!! nt JTFrog Dec 2016 #21
"A magician's greatest skill... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #22

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
2. Hillary talked about Russia working for Trump during debates.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:02 PM
Dec 2016

In front of millions of viewers.

What is this uproar about?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. This is NEW to you?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:47 PM
Dec 2016

It didn't change anything before the election.

Now it should?

I know it hurts bad. Hillary said it would, for a long time.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. The endless stream of Wiki tweeting crap out of context- pretending to be unbiased? Sorry but a lot
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:52 PM
Dec 2016

Of lefties bought those crap insinuations too. Made a non-story into an endless scandal. Useful idiots were all over the place.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. Gather the evidence - not speculation and innuendo.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:01 PM
Dec 2016

A lot of us around here are well aware of how damaging speculation and innuendo can be - decades of it.

If the evidence leads to a criminal charge, we know how to proceed.

A sitting president resigned when the facts came to light.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. Discussing reports of the investigation ordered by POTUS is a problem for you?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:10 PM
Dec 2016

Then don't partake in the discussion of news reports. Obviously others will.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. I have no problem discussing what was said.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:27 PM
Dec 2016

It is discussing what wasn't said that I find to be non-productive.

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
3. Could extend to that.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:07 PM
Dec 2016

There is some circumstantial evidence to that effect;
that being the statistical improbability of the actual vote count given exit polls and pre-election polls.

marybourg

(13,181 posts)
4. No, I didn't take it that way either.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:08 PM
Dec 2016

But - disinformation, what we are now calling false news. Clinton is dying, Clinton is running a pedophile ring, she killed Vince Foster, abused a rape victim, gave classified secrets away, etc. etc. THIS is interfering with our election and is classic Kremlin modus operandi.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. This is classic rightwing Republican MO.
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:14 PM
Dec 2016

If things work, no one cares where it may have originated last century.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
6. The article is categorically false about Russian capabilities and hacking voting machines
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:11 PM
Dec 2016

and tabulators. It's hard to even take this seriously.

uponit7771

(91,756 posts)
8. Thank you, its the tabulators ... the red herring is the "voting machines" and they can be hacked
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:19 PM
Dec 2016

... too and it was one of the things the Obama admin tried to protect against where Turtle McFuckLips said no

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
13. The "tabulators."
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:53 PM
Dec 2016

Not the voters, the "tabulators."

Which have repeatedly been shown to be more accurate counting ballots than humans.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
16. They've been hacked?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:06 PM
Dec 2016

That is not fact.

That is speculation.

The Obama administration has said they have found no evidence of hacking on Election Day.

 
10. Cyberterrorism terrorism?
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 07:42 PM
Dec 2016

Soon, we may consider cyberterrorism to be more of a threat than traditional terrorism (bombs, extremists), given how connected to the Internet we are. If you think about it, a terrorist can hurt a few people, maybe a thousand, unless they do something truly outrageous. While a cyberterrorist can hurt millions, with little more effort than it takes to hurt a hundred.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
22. "A magician's greatest skill...
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:56 PM
Dec 2016

is to keep your eyes off his other hand."

Belief is thinking something is true absent fact and proof. Enjoy!

But keep your eye on what is really going on.

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