2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKey factors that led to Trump winning, according to my calculations:
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30% -- the media's coverage of the campaign, and idiotic focus on Hillary's emails and neglect of issues of substance (e.g. climate change, jobs plans, healthcare). This part includes Comey's late breaking announcement on her emails (October surprise).
20% -- related to hacking by Russia, wikileaks, creating chaos and confusion about the Democrats
20% -- the historical situation of conservatives pissed off after 8 years of Obama and not wanting 4 more years of a "liberal" president (threats of gun control, keeping abortion legal, gay marriage, etc)
10% -- Trump's ability to game media coverage, lie effortlessly and demagogue like a champion
10% -- voter suppression efforts by the GOP
10%-- missteps by Hillary's campaign and her flaws as a candidate
The MAIN POINT is that in a close election, as this last one was, any of these factors could tip it one way or the other. Russian hacking definitely played a role.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)and their idiotic "I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils" rationale definitely played a role.
Also, let's give Bernie Sanders credit for half-heartedly dropping out of the race a full two months later than he should have, giving young impressionable voters a false sense of hope that he'd win. Their disillusionment was heard loud and clear on election day.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)disappointment and resentment.
JI7
(90,526 posts)zipplewrath
(16,692 posts)You have to assign more to the candidate. It was their job to address those other realities of politics. Well, except for the whole Russian thing. But I do think that the DNC and most democrats didn't acknowledge the challenge of a party getting a "third term".
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)given the bizarre nature of the race.
She rocked the debates, and was solid throughout. Clearly there were missteps at the end though.
I think they put too much stock in the polls, which were definitely way off.
zipplewrath
(16,692 posts)She was in serious trouble from the beginning, which is why Bernie became such a threat to her. Yes, there were many mistakes made, the real question is could she have run a "good enough" campaign to win. Considering that "third terms" are very hard, one wonders if she could have done anything.
Just look at their slogans. Hers suggested that things were good and we needed to keep moving in the same direction. He suggested things were "bad" and we needed to change directions. She got the majority of the support. Unfortunately, the people that decided the election were people who thought that we were going in the wrong direction. And really, looking from their point of view, one can understand their frustrations. Conversely, there is no way she could have address their concerns in a meaningful way during the campaign. First she would have lost much of the support she did have (which was a majority) and second, these people where not going to accept someone with such a long history of involvement at the national level. Again, a minority of the population by a long stretch, and even a minority of some of the key demographics. Unfortunately, they were spread "just right" (which is why some people are suspicious that there was someone doing the spreading).
This is particularly frustrating to me because I've been concerned about this for several election cycles, that someone in the GOP would figure out that the democrats had lost much of the blue collar vote. I just never thought it would be Vladimir Trump.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)being so wrong. Otherwise, they would have had a different strategy. But the whole thing was a complex moving machine and every little thing factored.
Obviously they were over-confident, and I suspect they, like I always did, thought Trump was unelectable as president.
uponit7771
(91,754 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)He doesn't get credit for being a basic troll that they keep feeding.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but he did know how to manipulate them, so have to give him some credit.
LisaL
(46,601 posts)Bernie got over it, some of his voters never did.
lame54
(36,885 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)lame54
(36,885 posts)A Russian attack is to be expected
McConnell is a fucking traitor
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the report.
zipplewrath
(16,692 posts)I'm afraid the votes she needed to get, she wasn't going to get. Trump basically was right. He could shoot someone on Park Avenue and they'd still vote for him. The report might have increased her popular vote margin, by getting more votes in states she already won, or states where it still wouldn't have helped her win anyway. But I suspect in WI, MI, and PA, it wouldn't have changed anything.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)hueymahl
(2,645 posts)I think reasonable people can debate the percentages you used for each category, but you have listed all the main ones.
I would add the electorate's general distaste for having one family too involved in the levers of power. There was backlash against Jeb Bush for this reason. Clinton faced some of the same backlash.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)although I know some people did not want to see Bill back in the WH.
Thanks
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)Problem is does that same electorate even SEE or understand or grasp that you now have the tRump Crime Mob Family in there on steroids, and also involved with and are pro-RUSSIA up to their eyeballs.
tRump Crime Mob family (With an assist from their buddies the Russians).
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)whoops
Orsino
(37,428 posts)zipplewrath
(16,692 posts)It's a collection of things. But you can separate them into "Things we could have handled, things completely out of control" and I think you can collect enough of the first that this election could have been won.
budkin
(6,849 posts)EMAILS!!!
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)If I was to use the same list of reasons you did, I would have it similarly but with a couple minor differences of percentage:
I would have it as 25%, 10%, 20%, 10%, 5%, 30%
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)Squinch
(52,739 posts)unblock
(54,151 posts)Without Donnie receiving 80% of the coverage, and without the Hillary coverage being nearly all negative, none of the other factors matter. In fact, many of the other factors are actually subsets of the biased media factor.
The media should never have presented Donnie as a viable candidate. He should have been covered like Gary Johnson. That said, had they been merely 50-50, Hillary would have won handily, even with the other crap.
Notice how Hillary had a nice lead after the conventions and after each debate? Those were the only times the media was remotely fair.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)warmonger, poor businessman, liar, and worse., nothing the media could have done would have made a difference. People want an easy scapegoat, but I do not believe the media helped Trump. His ignorance, racism, white wingish leanings, etc., won it for him. That's what the people who vote in the key states wanted. Had Trump lost, the white wingers would have blamed the media. It ain't the media.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)Seeing as HRC won the popular vote by a wide margin. The rest is just a collection of shiny objects the MSM wants us to obsess over. "Them's the rules!", all the pundits shout, while partisans toss ballots into a deep, dark hole.
Same as them relentlessly telling us the reason we're so poor is because we aren't clever, beautiful, talented, or just plain lucky enough, to ever be in their class.
And why? Because the Bible tells us so...
dubyadiprecession
(6,342 posts)The Clinton's have always had a superior get out the vote ground game. It never helps if your base turns out to vote in blue states and their votes are changed electronically to trump.
Remember, Trump campaign stops in the end were reported as unstructured. Many said it looked like "Trump was trying to throw spaghetti at the wall" trying to figure a path to 270.
sfwriter
(3,032 posts)I think the sexism of most Trump supporters goes without saying. Did anyone vote against her just because of this?
I've seen it fronted as a reason. It seems small compared to your list. Maybe 1%?