That is a level of respect the bastards haven't earned.

We should be about alternatives and ideas.

Who is the paradigm of respectful politics.

we dont need or want them in the Democratic party.

maybe, just maybe some of them aren't?

Makes them ok with it in my book.
Fuck them.

Call me stupid, but I think there is room for Americans to still work together IF we stop with the close minded hate. Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist, and if we keep focusing on dividing, we will keep losing. The Republicans have enough rope to hang themselves, so let's provide a sane alternative when they do.

I am angry too, but satisfying my own frustrations and anger by striking out and name calling does not contribute to a sane America, it just makes others who disagree with me dig in their heels.

"Not every Trump voter is a racist and a misogynist,..."!!!

Not every German was a Nazi, and many supported Hitler because he promised jobs and a better economy...even after Kristallnacht!|

They did and said nothing while Hitler dehumanized all non-Aryans, they looked the other way when the "People's Court" tried, convicted, and executed dissenters...ever heard of the White Rose Society?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

Looking at history, that "not all Trump voters are..."excuse, just isn't good enough for me!!!

Are we there? Really? Cause if we are, then get your guns and start shooting...

... feel outside the norm and always know Americans know they're fringe.

That's pretty much the tactic security agencies are taking with ISIS recruites... don't normalize them

How is that working for us?

... Americans voted for the other person.

The rest of the loss is Comey, Russia and voter suppression everything else is guessing.

But to get back to the RWTP normalizing Benedict Donald and his Band Of Bigots is way more dangerous than calling him names the non independent Trump voters don't like.

I'll not repeat the bad parts of history ... I've learned from it

... what works because part of their motivation is glory.

If they're going to be religated to the stupid part of history it lets the wind out of their sales

But calling them stupid nicknames actually makes them caricatures, far less dangerous than they are, and makes us look childish and unserious.

This is very different than calling him and his supporters out for enabling racism and misogyny. But it is amusing to see some of the same people who insist that we must all be extraordinarily deferential and respectful to Trump voters turn around and call the guy they voted for stupid names.

... names keeps up the label for others who don't know and establish's they're fringe often enough.

On this issue I'm going to go with history not my or other peoples feelings.

probably just feeding a troll in this case.

Joe said:

“They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

article: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-biden-interview-20161222-story.html

All this" respect"......
Our adversaries laugh at us
And always get the gold.

I was a little disappointed in Robert Reich for calling him 'Drumpf' even though that's his actual family name.

Name calling is what THEY do, let's be better than that.

SO agree with you.



(Great line by the way )

We lost for lots of reasons, but taking the high ground wasn't one of them. I don't respect Donald Trump and never will. I also will not lose respect for myself by selling out my principles, one of which is acting as a mature adult, not as a name-calling child.

Great leaders lead by example...

But we should stop acting like him.

To quote somebody else who dealt with worse that being called names:

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Clinton didn't lose because Trump called her names. She lost because of that stupid email server.

You are saying that ... ???

Nope. Sorry again.

Didn't get your point.

whatever anybody else calls him is their business. Frankly, I don't care about shit like this.

Whining amongst ourselves about petty shit like this is exactly what they want us to do. You do your thing, everybody else will do theirs. All will be fine.

How is arguing about shit like this "focusing on issues?" If you want to focus on issues, post about issues and ignore the chaff.

Problem solved.

I would not suggest that people refrain from mocking Donald Trump, if that is how they feel. One of the things we do that holds us back is to pretend to be polite when that is the last thing we want to do. While it's admirable to treat even adversaries as honorable, it's not practical when those adversaries are far from honorable.

I don't want Donald Trump to be normalized. I want him to be mocked, ridiculed and challenged at every turn.

So, no thanks on your suggestion. Sorry.

Calling this asshole names helps my blood pressure stay down.

I tune those posts right the fuck out.

...I rather liked referring to 43 as President Bush as a reminder of the magnitude of the the fucking up he did.

President Trump will arrive in office with no idea of what he needs to do, no matter How many times it's explained to him. He simply has no interest in anything other than being a big shot, for which he'll receive four hundred large per year plus all the graft he can eat.

When will we ever learn?

If you want to play nice with the monster president-elect and the dimwits who put him over the top, go right ahead. I will refer to Trump and his hordes any way I damn well please, and I encourage others to do likewise.

We have a brilliant, classy, scandal-free President who, with his wonderful family, has graced the White House for the past eight years. The only major fault I can ascribe to Barack Obama is how politely he treated a bunch of scumbag republicans, who hated his guts and who limited his effectiveness in every way possible, for every year/month/day/hour/minute of his time in office. There is no point in being nice to the likes of Mitch McConnell, or Jeff Sessions, or Mike Pence, or Donald Trump. They do not appreciate conciliatory behavior---they depend on Democrats to play nice, and in return, they stab us in the back. Every time. This country stands in mortal peril because a demonstrably insane individual is about to assume the presidency. Diplomacy will not work against this new regime---be it in the halls of Congress, or a Democratic online site. It's already ugly, and God willing, it will get a lot uglier, until this unprecedented threat to the nation is removed.

It's nothing of the kind - it's simply making a choice not to emulate the people we claim to disdain.

I stand by my prior comments.

evidence of conciliation.

Charles Hamilton Houston, Thurgood Marshall, Dorothy Height, Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez, Bayard Rustin, Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, etc. helped to dismantle a wretched, degrading system without once publicly calling anyone out of their names.

I stand by them.

If the name calling offends you, you are welcome to set the example by not engaging in it. But please refrain from expecting everyone else to be like you.

We are all individuals here. We are all adults. We can moderate our own behavior.

Donald Trump's election is going to harm me and my family in serious ways. I will call the sonofabitch whatever I feel like calling him - and whatever I call him will never fully describe the vileness about him because he is the worst of the worst.

They're just saying it won't help. Take what you like and leave the rest...

Actually, that is exactly what the OP says ...

...

Hope you and your family enjoy a wonderful holiday season.

I will never stop hating him for that verbal assault and all the others he rammed down our throats. I can't type his name. It sickens me.

...DFT - Donald Fucking Trump.

Thanks.

Unfortunately, this one will always be The Tangerine Nightmare to me.

Use of a name denotes a form of respect.
That orange blob of shit is M A G G O T.
That's it.

Part of the reason we lost is because we underestimated Trump. We spent a lot of time calling him names, reveling in how stupid he was, ridiculing his supporters and calling them cute names. Then we took it to the next level, getting into the mud pit to wrestle with him. It wasn't a good tactic for us, not our style, not what we do best. It cost us. I can't say it was the only factor in our loss, but it definitely contributed. We underestimated him, and his reality TV abilities. I think we have to take this guy seriously, because he is going to do some serious shit to our country, so thinking up cute names for him diverts our attention.

And it's not why we lost the EC.

We didn't make any mistakes. We were perfect. It was all "their fault." Your reply could easily qualify as sarcasm.

... our control which even if we were perfect doesn't change the outcome.

I'm not going to keep feeding the false sense of control by fooling myself into thinking those 3 factors weren't salient... I'll leave that up to other control freaks.

We lost by only 80,000 votes spread out over three states. A small difference in our approach might have made the difference.

spawn as Uday and Qusay makes me an immature idiot. So be it.

Darrell." From now on, get it right.

Call me a libtard or whatever, and my ears slam shut, even if whatever comes next is as eloquent as the Gettysburg Address. It makes a person sound childish.

We will never influence others in a positive way, or get them to even consider listening to other views, by insulting them.

You can be grateful I don't use dirty adjectives every time I mention him by one of his Manbaby names.

sure to work the same way again.

Okaayyy ...

or if I'm around little kids, I'll tone it down a notch and refer to him as Bloated Orange or The Orange Blob or something to that effect.

People doing it should remember how they would never have listened to any point made by someone referring to Obummer, Lurch or (any of the many despicable nicknames for Clinton). I know those names would have likely caused me to spend no time reading the comments.

He's a bigot, a sexual predator, and a con man. I have no respect for him, his voters, or his apologists.

important issues! Just like you are telling others to do!



And no. A Twitler is a Twitler is a Twitler. He will always be Twitler to me.

The Right used names against Hillary to great effect, "Crooked Hillary" was sadly effective this year and we didn't have anything to counter it - DonTheCon should have been ringing from our side.

Here are some more gems:

blockhead
boor
chump
dimwit
dolt
dumbbell
dunce
fool
imbecile
lout
oaf
simpleton

I'm compelled to refer to Trumpkin supporters as such until "the last syllable of recorded time".

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Which I will continue to do.

...and "the Democrat party"; when they stop calling Michelle Obama "monkey-face", etc....

I'll get back to ya.....

They want respect--they have to earn it.

I couldn't possibly give less of a shit if I look "childish" and "petty" in the eyes of the sexual predator's dumbshit, despicable cult followers.

Sorry. I disagree. The broken record technique is wildly successful and I believe in giving as good as I get. I will call them EVERY NAME at EVERY TURN.

I think I can count the times anyone directly referred to him as "President Bush" on one hand and have fingers left.

I understand why you say "Referring to our adversaries by their actual names won't normalize or elevate them or diminish our position. In fact, it will make it easier for us to get across our point."

But this is something new.

and will continue to do so. He deserves much worse, but "giant, orange, festering, splattered turd" is too long to type. (With thanks to the brilliant Hamfisted, the King of Insults)

even the derogatory ones....and I won't fly the stars and stripes until this is over, just like when they stole it the last time. That probably means I won't ever fly again as long as I live.

with titles that include an intentional misspelling because that's a sure sign of a low-content post.

we're obviously in the minority.

I wonder, though, how many of those who are so adamant about calling Trump, et al, ridiculous, juvenile names are the same ones lecturing us about how we must reach out to and coddle and - for God sakes! - not in any way offend his voters.

thoughts and ideas are not taken seriously.

Supporters of the sexual predator definitely don't fall into that category.

upon, would you say to him: "What the fuck were you thinking when ...?"

If you did, I am, sure he wouldn't take you seriously.

You realize people don't tend to talk in real life like how they talk on the internet, right?