2016 Postmortem

Red Oak

(699 posts) Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:53 AM Dec 2016

The Democratic party does NOT need to change!

We won by 2.9M votes!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/23/upshot/how-the-obama-coalition-crumbled-leaving-an-opening-for-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

And we can win (lose) again in 2020!

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The Democratic party does NOT need to change! (Original Post) Red Oak Dec 2016 OP

We need to get a grassroots movement going to make sure elections are not stolen anymore. libtodeath Dec 2016 #1

Or we could focus on winning by the rules. Truth321 Dec 2016 #2

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #5

Careful there, new guy! EL34x4 Dec 2016 #7

We always need to change. Orsino Dec 2016 #3

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit FUD is tryi uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4

They need to make inroads in rural areas again crazycatlady Dec 2016 #6

We lost. We didn't regain the Senate or the House, which we haven't had for the last 6 years. JCanete Dec 2016 #8

The Democratic Party needed to change regardless of who won. DemocraticWing Dec 2016 #9

Other than the presidency, we've been steadily losing seats all across government for several dionysus Dec 2016 #10

agreed Amishman Dec 2016 #11

We've been losing those seats, but not because we haven't reached out enough to white working class EffieBlack Dec 2016 #12

libtodeath

(2,892 posts)

1. We need to get a grassroots movement going to make sure elections are not stolen anymore.

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:00 AM

Dec 2016

Truth321

(93 posts)

2. Or we could focus on winning by the rules.

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:18 AM

Dec 2016

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)

5. +1

Reply to Truth321 (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:34 AM

Dec 2016

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)

7. Careful there, new guy!

Reply to Truth321 (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:32 PM

Dec 2016

Seems exhibiting a lack of enthusiasm over Hillary's popular vote "win" (as if she won anything other than bragging rights) is frowned upon as "bashing Democratic public figures" and suggesting it would be better to win 270 electoral votes is "spreading right-wing talking points."

I've got a couple of hides to prove it.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

3. We always need to change.

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:30 AM

Dec 2016

Not necessarily as quickly as the nation's demographics, but change is necessary and vital.

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)

4. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!!! COMEY, Voter Suppression and RUSSIA !! Fuck all the other bullshit FUD is tryi

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 11:34 AM

Dec 2016

... trying sell.

Even the NYT article is guessing while there's not guessing on Comey, Voter Supression and Russia

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)

6. They need to make inroads in rural areas again

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:54 PM

Dec 2016

(This Democrat is actually looking to move to a more rural area).

JCanete

(5,272 posts)

8. We lost. We didn't regain the Senate or the House, which we haven't had for the last 6 years.

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 03:45 PM

Dec 2016

While our lip-service to social and economic justice is far superior to the other guys, it is our actual commitment to that message, which includes cutting the voice of corporations out of the conversation already, that we need to change. We need to stop appearing as if we're playing our part in a game of good cop bad cop, and we have to stop thinking we are ever going to be anything but the minority party if we don't take on corporations and their media, rather than continuing to attempt to court them.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)

9. The Democratic Party needed to change regardless of who won.

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:27 PM

Dec 2016

The systematic oppression that our entire political system supports is unsustainable. The system will all fall down, the choice is that which Rosa Luxemburg described: Socialism or Barbarism?

dionysus

(26,467 posts)

10. Other than the presidency, we've been steadily losing seats all across government for several

Reply to Red Oak (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:50 AM

Dec 2016

cycles now. Obvioualy SOMETHING needs to change!

Amishman

(5,812 posts)

11. agreed

Reply to dionysus (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:38 AM

Dec 2016

The overall popular vote does not matter. DOES NOT MATTER. there are zero elected offices decided by nationwide popular vote.

Geography matters for politics in this country. We need to make changes or otherwise find a way to break out of our limited metropolitan footprint.

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)

12. We've been losing those seats, but not because we haven't reached out enough to white working class

Reply to dionysus (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:50 AM

Dec 2016

In fact, candidates have neen reaching out to them TOO much, shape-shifting and running away from the Democratic base and principles, trying to convince them they're not all that different from conservative Republican candidates. The candidates who do that keep getting their asses kicked - as Harry Truman said, "Given a choice between a fake Republican and a real one, the public will choose the real Republican every time."

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