2016 Postmortem

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts) Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:48 PM Dec 2016

I think the reason why so many people suggest that Bernie could have beaten Trump

is because most people thought that anyone could beat Trump.

I think a better question to ask would be this:

Could Bernie have beaten any Republican candidate OTHER than Trump?

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I think the reason why so many people suggest that Bernie could have beaten Trump (Original Post) mtnsnake Dec 2016 OP

No one can know the answer to either question... TCJ70 Dec 2016 #1

She only lost the EC. That is what matters and we know why. duffyduff Dec 2016 #17

That's an irrelevant question not a 'fairer' one. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #2

Irrelevant to what? Anyway, I'll edit it to change "fairer" to "better" mtnsnake Dec 2016 #4

Irrelevant because Trump was the actual nominee that the Democratic candidate had to defeat. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #6

If I recall the polls showed he could beat them all but then again we all know how the shenanigans onecaliberal Dec 2016 #3

There is another reason. HassleCat Dec 2016 #5

+1 YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #14

Could? Well that's obviously yes but nothing in life is guaranteed. NWCorona Dec 2016 #7

OR ... Could Bernie Beat COMEY, VOTER SUPPRESSION and RUSSIA !?!?!!? These kind of question suppose uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8

Exactly. As if the repugs, Russians and Assange would stop just because it was Sanders brush Dec 2016 #9

+1, this is watergate 2016 style but this time fuckin Nixon said break in on national TV !!! uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10

What research? I keep hearing about it, but show me the Repug playbook against Sanders. Exilednight Dec 2016 #11

Already been through it with you before. You know how to google for yourself. brush Dec 2016 #12

"Could Bernie have beaten any Republican candidate OTHER than Trump?" YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #13

Most people here, including me, thought Hillary was going to destroy Trump in the general election. m-lekktor Dec 2016 #15

He couldn't have beaten any Republican duffyduff Dec 2016 #16

We'll never know about any BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #18

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)

1. No one can know the answer to either question...

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:50 PM

Dec 2016

...and it doesn't matter since he didn't win the primary nor did a different Republican win theirs.

What does matter is that Hillary lost and why. That's the only question that matters at this point.

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)

17. She only lost the EC. That is what matters and we know why.

Reply to TCJ70 (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:24 PM

Dec 2016

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

2. That's an irrelevant question not a 'fairer' one. n/t

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:51 PM

Dec 2016

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)

4. Irrelevant to what? Anyway, I'll edit it to change "fairer" to "better"

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:54 PM

Dec 2016

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)

6. Irrelevant because Trump was the actual nominee that the Democratic candidate had to defeat. n/t

Reply to mtnsnake (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:59 PM

Dec 2016

onecaliberal

(35,802 posts)

3. If I recall the polls showed he could beat them all but then again we all know how the shenanigans

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:53 PM

Dec 2016

Ripped off the election. Either way Hillary was our nominee and I enthusiastically supported her in the general. im starting to believe that our votes do not matter. How does someone who lost by 3 million votes win?

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)

5. There is another reason.

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:58 PM

Dec 2016

Many voters are tired of the major parties. They don't see significant differences between the two, at least not concerning issues that matter to them. This is where Bernie comes in, with his unconventional approach and his focus on economic justice. He would have done very well against Trump, probably winning. Against somebody such as Cruz or Giuliani or Bush, who knows? There are so many variables.

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)

14. +1

Reply to HassleCat (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:11 PM

Dec 2016

Well said.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)

7. Could? Well that's obviously yes but nothing in life is guaranteed.

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:02 PM

Dec 2016

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)

8. OR ... Could Bernie Beat COMEY, VOTER SUPPRESSION and RUSSIA !?!?!!? These kind of question suppose

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:02 PM

Dec 2016

... those factors weren't involved and they're not helping.

brush

(57,489 posts)

9. Exactly. As if the repugs, Russians and Assange would stop just because it was Sanders

Reply to uponit7771 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:30 PM

Dec 2016

They had plenty of oppo research on Sanders, and I'm sure if the Russians could get into Clinton's campaign email, the could get into Sanders', and they probably did.

Be interesting what was discussed between Weaver, Devine and Sanders about the DNC firewall breech.

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)

10. +1, this is watergate 2016 style but this time fuckin Nixon said break in on national TV !!!

Reply to brush (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:32 PM

Dec 2016

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)

11. What research? I keep hearing about it, but show me the Repug playbook against Sanders.

Reply to brush (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:41 PM

Dec 2016

If it exists, then it shouldn't be hard to actually post a link to a pdf of it.

brush

(57,489 posts)

12. Already been through it with you before. You know how to google for yourself.

Reply to Exilednight (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 04:57 PM

Dec 2016

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)

13. "Could Bernie have beaten any Republican candidate OTHER than Trump?"

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:11 PM

Dec 2016

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)

15. Most people here, including me, thought Hillary was going to destroy Trump in the general election.

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:18 PM

Dec 2016

So, based on that, who the fuck knows one way or the other, our collective record of predicting election results here at DU isn't all that good!

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)

16. He couldn't have beaten any Republican

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:22 PM

Dec 2016

He couldn't win the primary and therefore not a viable candidate.

He was not vetted by the media. He was not considered a serious candidate.

If he had been vetted, he would not have carried a single state outside Vermont. His writings, which were strictly New Left and sexual liberation bullshit, would have sunk him. His videos bragging up Castro likely disqualified him.

He is also a big time liar, which was glaringly obvious with his Vatican debacle.

Bloomberg would have still run an independent candidacy if the GOP had nominated somebody like Cruz.

Sanders had no business running as a Democrat given his MASSIVE baggage.

BlueMTexpat

(15,496 posts)

18. We'll never know about any

Reply to mtnsnake (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:29 PM

Dec 2016

Republican im 2016.

What we do know is that Bernie did not beat Hillary. Period.

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