That non-dems can't run under the party banner

Not sure if we'll ever get a candidate that qualified, or who performs that well despite the vilification by pretty much every entity out there, especially those whose thin veneer of progressivism.

Popular vote is meaningless if we can't win the EC

Should it matter? I think so, but under the current rules, it does NOT matter. We can keep talking about Clinton's popular vote victory all we want, but it doesn't do a damn thing to address the actual problem. If we keep acting like this, we'll probably see a repeat of this election in four years' time.

I think Sanders would have beaten Trump in the EC and popular vote, BUT if he only won the popular then it would NOT matter! Clinton SHOULD be president, but she is NOT and that is all that matters right now.

For as much as BS was aggrieved at Clinton opposition he 'hadn't seen nothing' yet. Neither she, despite his campaign's hurt feelings and accusations of unfairness, nor Trump, leveled the big guns at him. I don't think he had a clue at what would've headed his way if he won the primary. The Cons were licking their lips.

for the only progressive candidate, despite the nazi threat? Wonder what would have happened if all the votes would have been counted, and someone had tabulated how many people wrote in a guy who was an ineligible write-in candidate. Also, where all these people who voted purity votes for a party they knew nothing about, won't support and will never ever lift a finger to help organize (despite the desperate need for this party to get a clue and figure out how to do the most basic things.)


The EC is meaningless if votes are not counted, period. So, I'd still rather one who can actually win votes and voters.

I'd say Mission Accomplished

And if only we had BS to keep us pure and on the right track, then we surely would've been the big winners.

And yet strangely, the dems do win elections. This year's elections was filled with a tsunami of factors that don't appear in every election. Another aspect of it, aside from Russians, Comey and voter suppression was the especial media bias against Clinton. And while it's convenient to think the media and the rich/billionaires were the only factors, they weren't.

Until the Supremes whisked it away. Sandra Day O'Connor has since expressed regret for a wrongful decision. And the Dean scream was a media hit job. If there is a real problem w/the Dems, it's that they, for the most part, are decent and don't understand they are dealing with ruthless people who will lie cheat and steal. But you go on thinking the dems are losers. That's the sort of uplifting message that will truly inspire voters.

I believe I mentioned the especial media bias against HRC, so yes I do see it. And I also called out the media hit job on Dean. And of course the Dems should call out cheating and stealing. They keep bringing a butter knife to a gun fight and that has to change. President Obama always felt that decency will win out but I think the message that you can't count on it may be seeping through. That said, I am really tired of so many, especially those who aren't even Dems, shooting their mouths off with conjecture and finger pointing when in the end that is all they will do. So yes, there is work to be done but the constant bitching about the dems which has been rampant lately by everyone is counterproductive.

Winning the popular vote is akin to saying your team should be champions no matter what the score says, you want your team to be champions because they have more fans. Real life doesn't work like that.

I'm not hearing any clear coordinated strategy yet and would love to see them do it.

Once that's done, we'll have a clear idea of the direction of the DNC.

"But we need people who will have the guts to stand up to the billionaire class and corporate America and fight for working families. "

Why do they call him a populist when he is clearly an elitist?

I think it must be mass hypnosis. Maybe the rest of us just were distracted by a passing bird when the flashy thingy went off.

Goodman needs to stop being such an outrageous FLAKE on that one, and that goes for anyone else who seriously thinks like that. The Greens will never ever ever ever ever win nationally as they are ideologically and organizationally IRRELEVANT!! All they are is a bunch of ridiculous pie in the ski fringe spoilers.

Fix the Dem Party and enough of the INSANE and STUPID 3rd party talk!!! Fuck that to TEARS!!!

Democrocy now is on the cable channell "Link"


















[block quote]

As a regular listener to Democracy Now, I heard the entire interview with Bernie Sanders.

For me, the most important part was this:

BERNIE:
"Trump sent out a tweet where he says: 'I am the only Republican candidate for president who will not cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.'
Right? Well believe me, every American, every person in this country, if I have anything to say about it, will know precisely what is going on with Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, because, as you've indicated, they are beginning to appoint people who are typical right-wing Republicans who want to privatize and cut Social Security. And our job - and we've got it.
We've got every statement that Trump made during this campaign. And we are going to hold him accountable.."

Subliminal messages, flashed during popular programs? Subtle nudges toward a certain conclusion? Perhaps some people just get missed because they somehow don't watch those shows? It wouldn't have to be Fox. It could be something that is otherwise quite innocuous.