That approach seems rather short sighted. I'd rather understand the Trump voters, find the ones we can reach with a message that doesn't change our fundamental values and limit the power of the far right.

Even if you're right that the election was all about racism (which statistically you aren't given Clinton substantial drop in the polls after the second Comey announcement), the fact that Trump won, even if only by a hair, says his message resonated with a enough people to win. I don't want to repeat that in 2020.

Good post.

Sid

Many White Hispanics are in fact intensely racist. Being White in Latin America is practically a badge of honor, you see, and in many of these countries there is an unspoken Apartheid system just as effective as anything in 1980s South Africa.

Once these people move to the U.S. though, they often find that due to their accent and/or surname, they are lumped together with their fellow Latinos of color. Many White Hispanics as a result became Republican, often in the belief that White Americans would accept them more easily if they did so.

Over the last 20 years though, they've become increasingly Democratic as it's become clear to them that while many White Americans welcome them, most Republicans do not. In fact, they hate them.

I have heard more than one unpolitical but faithful dem voters say over the holiday they are done with voting if the dem party politicians turn around to these trump people and it starts shaming PCness and IDP as if it was the fault for election loss. So it must be out in the MSM and
none of them are elite either so this meme must be carrying to the general public ears now.
Is this the consensus of the party now or just being put out there by a certain party faction?

The party may lose some of the ground gotv type people along the way and maybe the party won't care when it looks at the trump formula who had little of this yet won.

Those parts of the Dem faithful base will tune out not turn out & best of luck if these politicians think they have a whole lot of trump voters to take their place if they accept "soft racism & soft sexism" ...whatever that is or evolves into, but party officials know the numbers better than most do and will reinvent the party as needed I suppose

Senator calls out the obvious racism instead of his usual divisive approach towards Democrats where he makes everything only about his distorted economic message like he did in the primary.

And that is why we should not cater to them.

Trump could violate virtually every campaign promise and it wouldn't put a dent in his level of support. But imagine if he and Republicans in Congress came out in support of Black Lives Matter, a path to citizenship, and LGBTQ rights. The party would splinter so as to make it unviable.

You'd still have the trickle down believers, the jingoists, the advocates of privatization, but no Republican could win a national election. Bigotry, particularly racism, is the tie that binds. It's the glue that holds that party together.

is really about being anti-establishment and worried about the economy.

It's bad enough that Trump supporters exist within an alternate reality. I expect better from DU posters. But maybe I shouldn't. After all, I saw the denial of reality on display throughout the primary. People insisting that Clinton only led because of superdelegates or because of closed primaries while ignoring the impact of undemocratic caucuses (not to mention Clinton won a majority of the open primaries). People denying what so many of us knew by mid-March, which was that the race was essentially over. People claiming that Clinton and her surrogates were going around saying "it's her turn." People spreading the myth that "independents" are non-partisan, disaffected or wishy-washy, even though numerous surveys make clear that most independents are strongly partisan.

And now we hear people claim that Clinton didn't talk about economics even though that topic dominated her campaign. I've even seen posts claiming that she spent more time talking about "transgender bathrooms," which is an absurd right wing talking point used to inflame bigotry.

It's fine to like Sanders. It's fine to want a Democratic nominee who speaks forcefully against plutocracy. But it's not fine to deny reality in favor of your own alternate reality. Leave that BS to the Trump supporters.

by far, and her second was the economy.

And every single Trump voter was willing to vote for a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, anti-Semite, anti-immigrant, and anti-Muslim -- they also bear the stain of their choice.

Most Germans weren't members of Nazi Party, either! But they supported the actions that took place, even if it's true that many didn't know what was going on.


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And they need to own it and quit blaming Democrats for their vote. It's not our fault that they chose to vote for a clearly unstable unqualified narcissistic racist who campaigned on destroying millions & millions of lives. I have yet to meet a Trump voter that respects the lives of African Americans, Muslims, Hispanics, Immigrants, Gays, Women ...etc.

At the very least they are OK with racism, which puts them on the racism spectrum.

If instead of Trump, we have a Black candidate that ran on a not-very-subtle Black nationalism platform, but made the exact same promises like building a wall and bringing back manufacturing jobs? Would the disaffected White workers show up en mass to vote for him since he promised to bring back manufacturing jobs? Would White voters stay home leaving their fate to others because neither candidate excites them? Or vote 3rd party out of protest? What do you think White voters would do in this scenario?

anti-Muslim, homophobic or just pro-KKK.

Just because someone voted for Obama doesn't mean they can't be bigoted in other ways.

class economic issues, favoring broad poverty, and rolling over for corporate donors because delusional folk think it somehow helps them and/or under the greatly mistaken impression that repeating failed actions will result in different results because...reasons.

We have way too many people seemingly committed to Whiging out our party or at best turning us into the Washington Generals.

If so, you are so far removed from reality it's not even worth discussing. A racist who wants to cut taxes for rich people, get rid of the minimum wage, and destroy unions wins. And you somehow think that the problem is that the Dems "favor broad poverty". It's hard to believe that you are serious.

Her website had hundreds of pages devoted to the issues you claim she was refusing to address.

You were spending too much time listening to DT's lies.

And how can we try and win them over, instead?

Any ideas?

So there's a good chunk of these folks who are worth going after. Or are we going to say those Obama voters were just racists who voted for the black guy by accident???

We keep writing people off and we're going to run out of voters...