That was his campaign,so how can one not understand what they were voting for?

come after her medicare and social security. i dont know how people wouldnt know this . this presidential campaign went on for 18 months

We all do that because we are political junkies who make it a point to be informed. That isn't the norm. If it were then no one would have voted for Trump. My aunt fills her days with doing volunteer work in her rust belt community. That woman will help anyone if she's able to. That is how she has lived her entire life. She is one of the kindest, gentlest, most loving, caring and giving human beings ever to walk on this earth. She lives in a rural area decimated by the economy and people are hurting big time. Trump is extremely popular there. We have black, hispanic and LGBT family members that this woman adores and dotes on them all and has for decades. She can barely even operate facebook and never watches TV. She gets her information from the people in her community and her community voted for Trump.

When I hear people attack people like her who simply were ill informed and didn't know any better it really chafes my rear. It's WRONG to falsely accuse people and it needs to stop.

Every citizen has an obligation to cast an informed vote. Did your aunt ask her black, Hispanic, and gay family members their opinions about the candidates? Or did she privilege the opinions of her white straight acquaintances more?

In any case, if your aunt can't use the internet then she's not reading DU.

of the American public with their cooked-up news and lies for over a century. They are now
reaping their evil rewards.

I sometimes question the oft-repeated phrase "Crime Doesn't Pay." It so often does pay -- and
the rewards are often huge. Countless millions are voting for the Corporations (both Republicans
and Democrats) and these are good, decent people with no special interest in politics. Not
everyone can be expected to be interested in politics, just as not everyone can be interested in
mathematics or history, or religion...etc... . I have a good friend with a doctorate. She has
avoided politics all her life. It simply bores her no end. These people can't be bothered to find
out accurate news for themselves. My friend does not vote. But many of these people are simply
voting from what they have heard from their families all their lives, just so that they can get their
civic duty off their minds.

Yes, unfortunately, the above can and does go on from generation to generation.

Corporations know how to make good use of the above natural quality of a large fraction of human
beings, and Corporate people know how to work hard at it. It pays them extremely well!!!

Did she vote for trump and not Jill Stein?

unless they are political junkies.

You can't assume that average people follow politics as closely as those here do.

And people hang out with their friends and believe the things that the people they respect tell them.

They might not even know of the worst things Trump has said or done.

They are not all bad people.

A vote for Stein, Johnson or anyone but Clinton enabled Trump's white supremacist agenda. They are every bit as bad as the deplorables, actually worse. They chose to turn the country over to a sexual predator who ran on hatred for Mexicans, Muslims, and African Americans. They decided they were more comfortable seeing the candidate endorsed by the KKK be elected than vote for a Democrat with a detailed set of progressive policies. They chose White Male Supremacy and decided the well being of the nation, particularly the subaltern far more vulnerable than themselves, were less consequential than their egos. They may have deliberately sought to punish the subaltern for failing to vote for their candidate. Regardless, they are worse than the deplorables because they willingly enabled fascism. Fascism is as fascism does.

Even people who deliberately voted for Trump, knowing his agenda, did it because they thought it would make the country better., even though their idea of "better" is horribly fucked up. People who voted for Stein or Johnson just did it to make themselves feel good and didn't give a good goddamn about the welfare of the country or the world.

who voted for Stein and they are not "deplorable".

Aside from voting for someone who is herself utterly unqualified to run the country, anyone who knew that a Donald Trump presidency would be a disaster for the country and the world, and didn't vote for Hillary Clinton, helped Trump win, or at best, didn't care if he won or not. And all because of their precious ego and "conscience".

Yes, that's deplorable. I have a white-hot rage for the self-indulgent idiots who handed the entire government over to Trump and the Republicans by voting for Stein or Johnson.

For not "falling in line".

for characterizing the complete opposition of Donald Trump in that way.

Even if every Stein voter would have voted for Hillary she still wouldn't have won. We need to concentrate on the Dems who didn't vote at all. BTW, I voted against trump for Hillary. We had a flawed candidate in Ohio, Strickland, who for one should have never run because he was Gov during the bad times in Ohio. Repubs had all kinds things to throw at him. Like it or not Hillary was a flawed candidate. We need to stop coronating candidates even before the primary. Let it play out.

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"Hillary was a flawed candidate" doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. It means zero. Every candidate is flawed. Obama was flawed. Sanders was flawed. Part of her "flawed" nature was that she was a woman, and that there were people who would never vote for her simply for that reason, while they would have if she had been a man. Should she not have been offered as a candidate because of that disadvantage? The Republicans poisoned the electorate against her with a decades-long smear campaign. Should we have let them eliminate a candidate we wanted in that way? The Russians and the FBI also tried to damage her, and she still won the popular vote by millions. She lost the election only because of anachronism of the Electoral College. Exactly how much better and more qualified should she have been?

to trump voters. They had an outlet to not vote for him.

Only one cousin actually seems racist (hates Hispanics)

internet savy or not. if they are so uninformed and dont bother to get informed they ought to refrain from voting.

people are surprised by those closest to them you dont always know the stuff people hide from you.

you say you know what a trump presidency would mean did you talk to you aunt about what a trump presidency would mean?

I've known this woman over 50 years. She doesn't hide anything. She is so good of a person that she assumes everyone else is as well, so she is prone to believing what she is told by people she personally knows.

I don't live anywhere near her and she's not online very much. She seriously spends all of her time helping others with other elderly women. Trump is a good marketer and he doesn't mind lying to and misleading people. Many here are also missing one crucial fact that applies to people voting for Trump....many of those who voted for him just do NOT trust or believe the press. If people don't trust or believe what is reported about Trump then no matter how much is reported about him, those people just won't believe it.

where politics is often discussed. And the ones who watch the MSM are still getting a right-slanted world view. Profit has corrupted all of our major institutions. This country is so under GOP rule, we'll be lucky to get the boot off our neck.

Ignoring and the excusing atrocious votes made by wrongly informed relatives isn't going to help change anything.

Maybe we should be more righteously indignant, not less.

"You voted for Trump? How could you?!"

Only one (uncle Dennis, I'm looking at you) would I consider an actual racist.

But other than that none of them are what they are being labelled as. There is one friend who would definitely fall under the "don't trust or believe the media" and who I would not call a straight up racist, but she definitely has some subconscious biases.

racist, sexist, bigots they are so comfortable with racism, misogyny, and bigotry they are indistinguishable from racist, sexist, bigots.

I want people who are making this claim to start backing it up with facts.

Go back and read what you said. Unless you know all Trump voters you can't make claims about them. Certainly there are some who would fall under that label. Be angry with Trump. Be angry with people who voted for them. Be angry about the hate crimes. Be angry about all the awful things we now all have to worry about.

But please...please stop stereotyping. It's not OK, even if it's directed at people who voted for an orange asshole.

made no secret of his bigotry and misogyny throughout the campaign. Voting for him is showing approval of that. I don't have to know all the Trump voters I know what Trump is and that tells me what a person has to be to vote for him. If you want to give the enablers of Fuckface Von Clownstick cover that''s your prerogative, but I will not.

If you don't know all of them then you can't truthfully claim anything about ALL of them. So, if you cannot provide the proof then your claim is false. Please stop making false claims.

false claims is of no consequence to me. I have read what you posted here and your argument doesn't hold water. If a person votes for such an open racist as Trump by that very act they are racist I don't need to meet them to know that. One becomes a racist by doing racist things voting for Trump is one of those things.

Despite the fact that you don't know even the tiniest fraction of those people, you are asserting that you know what their motivations were when they cast their vote? And when I say that your assertion is false you say it holds no water? How much water does stereotyping over 61 million Americans hold? Since I personally KNOW people that prove your assertion wrong I think the facts are on my side.

are racist. The Implicit Association Test shows that we all harbor such prejudice. I felt bad about myself when I took it, but I had been shown the test by a black man I worked with and he scored almost the same as I.
You can do back flips all day to come to whatever conclusion you like, but a vote for Trump is a vote to enable open racism. You seem to think that intent makes one racist or not. Doing racist things makes you a racist regardless of your intent. Voting for Donald Trump is a racist act.

One has a very purposeful and conscious intent (bigotry) and bias/prejudice is usually subconscious and closely tied to institutional bias. That can be fixed but not if people are divisive by unfairly accusing people of being actual bigots.

seems to be a big chunk of where we disagree. I don't see the need for a bigot to have the intention of being a bigot before they can be such. I'm also not big on guarding the feelings of people who's actions endanger other people.

That's the whole point. To be a bigot is to be intolerant or to hate. You can't hate or be intolerant without being conscious of it.

You're confusing bigotry with bias and they are NOT the same thing.

to be a bigot is act in a bigoted way. Why don't you have a look at what Afromania had to say and answer that? Maybe you have the luxury of waiting until you really get to know what's in a persons heart before you think them a racist or bigot or misogynist, but if it is you who is bearing the brunt of it you don't.

You said, "All you have to do to be a bigot is act in a bigoted way."

big·ot·ed
ˈbiɡədəd/
adjective
having or revealing an obstinate belief in the superiority of one's own opinions and a prejudiced intolerance of the opinions of others.
"a bigoted group of reactionaries"


Based on your own explanation of what you define a bigot to be there are a lot of people on this very thread who would meet your requirements.

You may want to take a few minutes and look at the different definitions of the terms being used.

By that definition, people who adamantly believe that all people should be treated equally, regardless of race, and who refuse to tolerate the opposing belief, are bigots.

Wherever you dredged that definition up, it's garbage.

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I saw in passing on TV, i wouldn't have known how bad he was. Lots of low info voters out there. Theyre either too busy, or just dont care.

They may not be racist misogynists, but Donald Trump is and they voted for him anyway.

i don't know or care what's in their hearts - but I do care that they knowingly aligned themselves with Nazis and the kKK and other racists and bigots to vote against my interests and the interests of other minorities and put a bigot into the White House.

They don't get a pass because they supposedly "didn't know any better" ...

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Do they regret their choice at all? Or are they still totally on board with what he says and does, despite anything anyone has told them?

By their deeds shall ye know them.

Then you are an enemy of all decent people everywhere.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

I can't be the only one who's sick of hearing this awful shit defended.

I didnt know isnt an excuse.

Hmmm, that sounds awfully absolutist to me.

You god dam betcha!

bigots who don't even suspect that they are bigots.

Plenty of people are insensitive and say careless and thoughtless things without even realizing it, and certainly without any ill intent.

Intent MATTERS where this type of issue is concerned. I have seen people who spoke out against racism, sexism and bigotry quite vehemently say insensitive things before when they meant well. It happens. When people who misspeak with no ill intentions are treated like David Duke it causes very deep hurt and often resentment. That's the biggest problem in race relations right now. That combined with institutional biases ingrained into society.

We should choose our battles more wisely. Attacking non-racists only chases away would be supporters and the focus needs to be on the institutional racism because that is what is really harmful.

However, they decided that his bigotry and sexism were not things that should disqualify him for the job. In effect, they tolerated and enabled those qualities in him by giving him the largest platform in the world - the US presidency.

Should those of us who voted blue remain silent towards those non-bigots who effectively enabled and approved of his bigotry? Should members of our party who were the subjects and victims of his hate simply forgive and forget when it comes to those who elected someone who actively spoke out against them?

I find it interesting how Dems are supposed to be more empathetic towards blue collar rust belt voters and the bigots who voted for him; but they somehow receive a free pass for having no empathy for urban or white collar voters and non-bigots? Forgive me for not wanting to play nice with anyone who expects only Dems to travel Empathy Avenue.

And calling ALL Trump voters racists/bigots/sexists or assuming they are OK with those things is dishonest and untruthful. No one can truthfully say what is being said by some here because they don't know all people who voted for Trump. People who keep repeating this false accusations are lying, and they KNOW that they are doing so. I just don't understand why so many of the members here are OK with either repeating a lie or going along with it while at the same time attacking everyone who voted for Trump as either being a bigot or being complicit to bigotry.

Why the hell were Democrats NOT more effective in countering Trump's lies in the rust belt? We all know Trump is a POS! Those people that voted for Trump were not given a good enough reason to vote FOR Democrats. That's what it boils down to and continuously attacking those voters who were not properly reached won't change the outcome of the election. It WILL, however, guarantee the same damn outcome next time around if nothing is learned and the voters are just blamed.

I see very little distinction between Red Voter A saying "He's a bigot and I like that so he has my vote" and Red Voter B saying "He's a bigot and I don't like that but he has my vote anyway."

If people who supported him think the press is unfairly attacking him and lying about him they aren't going to listen to anything they say about him. They may not even watch or read the news and may get their information from friends who tell things in a slanted way.

Any number of explanations exist and are going to be true of some people. It's careless and irresponsible to stereotype and that is what is being done about those Trump voters. It's just got to stop. It's not productive and it alienates people.

If they don't want to believe the media, then have them talk to their friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members to find out why they believe he is a bigot. We don't owe them anything. If you lie down with dogs, don't be surprised if you wake with fleas, as some say.

So, those who do NOT support Trump have a decision to make. Do they continue to misdirect their anger and attack half of Americans and set themselves up to lose from now on or do they figure out WHY their message isn't reaching those voters and fix it so it doesn't happen again?

Might we persuade the uninformed voters and the economically stressed voters who voted for him? Maybe. Maybe not. We can definitely make in-roads with the uninformed if we get our message to them. As for the economic voters, that's a coin toss. Our candidate had realistic plans to help them. They opted for the fantasy spun by the con man. If you're the house giving out carrot sticks on Halloween, it's tough to compete with the house giving out chocolate.

Even though she really was a great candidate...she took the rust belt for granted, and they blamed the Clintons for trade and job losses. For that reason Clinton needed to be hands on in those states and she didn't do enough there. Hindsight is 20/20, but she could have done more there.

A great many of Trump's voters would be easy enough to win over.

This is especially true with northern rural voters...they don't have a problem with the social justice agenda as long as other policies don't infringe upon their way of life and they can support their family.

1. Be VERY clear and LOUD that Dems aren't going to take away guns.
2. Get high speed internet to rural areas that lack jobs and give incentives to companies that hire people to work from home to hire people from those areas with highest unemployment.
3. Allow people to buy in to Medicaid on a sliding scale based on their income to fix Obamacare.
4. Infrastructure investment.

It doesn't impact their life, they don't see its effects, to them it just doesn't matter.

It is as distant to them as the near extinction of the Socorro Dove. Try to talk to them about it, and they will zone out just like we might when stuck with that cousin who will only talk about baseball. And even if you can get them to really listen, it still won't be real - because they didn't live it or see it.

Screaming that every Trump voter is a bigot just creates a sense that they are under attack for who they are. It makes racial/cultural hate real to them... And they feel they are the victim! Definitely counter productive.

This broad brush labelling of rural America and/or Trump voters is inherently divisive and deepens the divide. It also could easily turn off those who sat out the election. To have not voted this election means either the stakes were not high enough for that person to care or they were so repulsed by both sides that they could not support anyone. The former category is a lost cause; if this election won't motivate them, nothing will. The latter category won't be enticed by negativity and drama.

The extremes on the right will endorse and vote for the right, and the extremes on the left will endorse and vote for the left.

I'm very anti-communist, but the fact that our party harbors a few now and then doesn't stop me from supporting it.

Trump is awful, but most people in the Republican party don't support the KKK.

He is a Mennonite and has NEVER been involved in politics. He was even a Conscientious Objector during Vietnam. Not only did he register to vote for his first time ever and then he voted for Trump.

Is he a racist? I've never heard him say anything racist and his oldest daughter is married to a black man with two milano children. He certainly doesn't seem to have a problem with them.

I haven't asked him why he voted the way he did. He hates conflict (like my wife does) so it probably wouldn't go well if I asked. He's religious so how in the world would he vote for this asshole? Maybe his church told him too. I have no idea.

That's a term I've never heard.

Milan. But I think the poster meant the obsolete term "mulatto". Nowadays we usually say bi-racial.

Curious.

Pepperidge Farm makes a great Milano cookie though!

Yes mulatto or bi-racial.

Some religious people are really swayed by that issue. Some churches do tell members who the church endorses. That may have been it or it could be people in his community.

That Dems should not be making excuses for their support of an obviously bigoted pig. If they didn't know, then they are dangerous fools.

I'd like names, please.

From now on if anyone tries to group all Trump voters into one group and label them I'm going to to ask for sources.

Stereotyping groups of people (even groups you don't like) is unacceptable.

People keep repeating obviously DISHONEST claims about an entire group of people. Unless they know every person who voted for Trump then they clearly do NOT know what motivated those people to vote the way they did.

I'm sick of watching this repeated because it's simply not true and it's not helpful or productive.

Nice job trying to gaslight me, though. Won't work.

Nothing honest or progressive about that RW nonsense.

And second...stereotyping is about making assumptions about an entire group of people based on nothing other than the fact that they belong to a specific group. They are two entirely different things. Based on your comment I suspect you may not truly understand what is and what is not racism/sexism/bigotry. There are THREE different things you may be getting confused.

Racism/Sexism/Bigotry is intolerance/hatred/thinking you are better than others who belong to a specific group.

Stereotyping is attributing traits or making assumptions about and labeling entire groups of people simply because they belong to a given group.

Institutional Bias is what leads to things like young unarmed black men getting shot by police. This is not usually conscious or intended but is deeply ingrained into society and NEEDS to be focused on because it's a HUGE problem. Unfortunately too many people confuse this issue with racism/sexism/bias and toss out accusations towards people who would actually SUPPORT resolving this issue that nothing ever gets done to fix it. Bias is not something done consciously. That would be actual racism/sexism/bigotry.

And not a very new one. That seems to have whooshed over your head completely in your rush to "educate" me.

You are ASSUMING that over 60 Million Americans are either bigots or support bigotry with absolutely NO proof or evidence to support your claim.

If you called out an INDIVIDUAL that you actually KNOW based on facts and not some stereotype then your argument would have merit.

Every person who is making assumptions about Trump voters is stereotyping.



Definition: A stereotype is “...a fixed, over generalized belief about a particular group or class of people.” (Cardwell, 1996).

For example, a “hells angel” biker dresses in leather.

One advantage of a stereotype is that it enables us to respond rapidly to situations because we may have had a similar experience before.

One disadvantage is that it makes us ignore differences between individuals; therefore we think things about people that might not be true (i.e. make generalizations).

http://www.simplypsychology.org/katz-braly.html

Anyone who knows anything about his policies at all
Knows the biggest ones he pushed were getting rid of brown people- whether they be Mexicans or Muslim ex and yes that makes him a bigot - and they supporters of bigotry. Don't give a fuck if it hurts their feelings.
Those who support bigotry ARE bigots. And no, that's not harsher than the bigotry itself - no one but selfish white people think that way.

ISN'T stereotyping. The people being condemned here are not being condemned "on nothing other than the fact that they belong to a specific group." They are being condemned for what they DID and for what they actively and enthusiastically SUPPORT.

Go ahead and believe what you will. I've heard a lifetime of racism, too many names to name.

of voters are racists. That's simply not honest or truthful. Say some, say many...just don't say all because you don't know. I'm doing this to try to help. This labeling and stereotyping is not productive or helpful. It will actually end up harming things if it doesn't stop.

It is most of Trump voters that are racist. Trump started out as a birther...isn't that clearly racist?

Many are likely at least somewhat biased, with the majority of those being subconsciously biased.
To be honest, I am not even sure that Trump himself is a racist or a bigot. He's an idiot narcissistic attention whore who likes to stir up as much shit as he can. That I'm certain of. He definitely attracted all the racist asshats, too. Trump talks out of his asshole just like he's always done. I think even most of his supporters know that about him. Hell, I think a good portion of his voters only voted for him because they want to see him make an ass out of himself and piss people off. He just likes being offensive and talk trash to get attention.

even worse, IMO, if he wasn't personally racist himself.

He's clearly a sexist douchebag, so being racist alwo wouldn't surprise me.

in a very long time. That it has far fewer recommendations than it should says everything about how misguided so many posters are when it comes to facing the reality that falsely labeling all Trump voters as terrible people is only going to scare many of them away for good and make our chances of winning in the future all that much harder.

The sooner that everyone realizes that the OP is spot on, the sooner everyone can stop with the bullshit labeling that runs rampant around here with so many people.

I used to be surprised at the hypocrisy of certain posters, but I'm not anymore.

That they are doing the same thing they are claiming to be so opposed to. Labeling and stereotyping all Trump voters is also bigotry.

It's OK to be angry and hurt and scared.
It's even OK to be pissed at people who voted for Trump, whatever their reasons may be.

What's NOT OK is being dishonest and untruthful through stereotyping people you don't even know based on who they voted for. There is absolutely NOTHING Democratic about that.

Saying, "I'm really pissed at Trump voters for voting for this racist pile of crap! I don't understand why they would do it! What were they thinking?" is OK.

Saying, "F#(k those white blue collar workers that voted for Trump. They're all racist pieces of shit anyway!" is NOT OK.

We are seeing too much of the second example and not enough of the HEALTHY expression of anger, pain, frustration and fear.

Time to get HEALTHY and HEAL...and fight that Orange Asshole the entire way!
Save the ire for him and leave the voters alone. They'll learn the hard way soon enough and learn their lesson.

Trump won't last long either way...I'll be shocked if he makes it 6 months before getting impeached.

Before I enable white male supremacy. It matters not one bit what is "in their hearts." Their votes gave Trump's white supremacist agenda power over the country. People are responsible for their actions, regardless of what they claim their motives are. They chose an agenda based on racism over one based on unity and equality. They decided they preferred it, and post election polling shows the one commonality among Trump voters is how they see non-whites, whereas on every other issue they vary enormously.

It is unfortunate that some are so eager to normalize votes for Trump's agenda rather than directing attention to the millions of voters disenfranchised from this past election. As long as members of political elite and their supporters continue to prioritize white Republicans over disenfranchised voters of color and voting rights more generally, the county will only continue to move closer toward white supremacy and even fascism. The sad thing is that justice is easily discarded when politicians feel their political fortunes linked to a white electorate.

They were appalled by his racist and sexist rhetoric to the point of not voting for him in the Primary. Cruz won here in Maine.

But once it became clear that Trump was going to be their nominee, they felt they had no choice. It was either Trump or WWIII in their opinion. That, and the TPP were the 2 biggest concerns I heard from them.

Then they're fucking idiots.



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Some of my relatives and friends are from Maine as well.

Many of those take the attitude that trumpolicy won't affect them so they really do not care.

Many of his supporters don't take his words literally, but more figuratively.

I have relatives who were also deeply hurt and scared over him being elected, so I have been able to see both sides of it. What is especially upsetting is seeing Trump voting family members who genuinely LOVE those who feel scared not realizing how much of a deep impact their vote would have on people they love. One minority family member no longer feels welcome or wanted by those family members because of how they voted, yet those Trump voting relatives never wanted to make anyone feel that way, especially anyone they love.

Trump, in typical narcissistic fashion has taken a huge, stinky dump all over this country and families have been destroyed because of him. Hearts have been broken on all sides.

minority family think the family members that voted for Trump are not racist? Does the effect of their vote change if they are not thought of as racist?

But they are very hurt that those family members didn't think of them when they cast their votes. They don't feel welcome or wanted anymore. There has been permanent damage done due to this election that I don't think will ever be mended. Those Trump voters honestly had no idea how badly they would hurt other family members with their vote. It's been awful.

They may not be those things but they have enabled them.

I know people in my very red FL county who voted for Twitler. They told me they chose to overlook the racism, sexism, admissions of assault, inciting of violence, etc, because they wanted "a businessman," or to "drain the swamp."

I tell them they cannot separate the man's words and actions. Ignoring them is enabling his bigotry and hate.

I have refrained from labeling Trump voters misogynist racists, but their vote enables his bigotry and hate. It normalizes the behavior and beliefs and makes them seem more acceptable. Anyone needs proof of that, just read the news. How many hateful attacks and vandalism incidents have their been since November 09?

She isn't racist or sexist. She is also not uninformed. She's a librarian; a reader. She read Art of the Deal years ago when it was a best seller. She tends to like self-help books that deal with life and life issues. She had also read Ben Carson's books and had said in the past that she would vote for him for president. Then she saw Carson in the debates and didn't like his demeanor. Because she'd read Trump's book, she thought all his bluster and attacks were for show... to get attention. I tried my best but could not make her see that he was a con man. It's all a game to him, she thought. Even if he is conning people, she wants that sort of dealing with things (as in his book) for our country. She's a moderate. She does lean Republican (she lives in Indiana so that's not unusual) but she thinks more like an independent. She was all on board with Hillary since 2007, and she voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012 (she would have voted for Obama in 2012 if he had picked Hillary for VP instead of Biden who she doesn't like). The RW talking points about Hillary got to her. She admitted Hillary was impressive. She had always liked her, but when some Democrats started dissing Hillary she thought it must be true. Btw, she thought Bernie was like everyone's crazy uncle and didn't care for him either.

It's one of my biggest regrets that I couldn't make her see him for what he is, but I also knew that her vote in Indiana for Hillary would mean nothing because Trump was bound to win there.

... she is Serbian. She is mad at the Clintons for the bombing of Serbia. I can't fault her for that even though I agree with Bill's policy there.

My pain management specialist, has been taking care of me for over 10 years,we have become friends. I found out during this election she supported Trump. She put it out on her social media page and got some serious push back even though we live in a red state. She seemed confused that everyone wasn't behind her on this.

Our town is a college town, yes it is Trump territory but less so than other parts of this awful state. She has since deleted most of those awful posts. I think in truth, you don't really know someone, this election has opened my eyes to some people I didn't really know.