Don't seem to be able to let go.

Kinda pathetic. I've only looked at that site once. Geez, I'd rather hang out at the cave than there.

...after 4 years of Trump.

Is this all you got... Is this your donation to DU?

People who root for Putin, People who root for Billionaires and wall street in government office more than ever before in history. That is who they are. They rooted for this Trump and why did they do that? Selfishness. I think that is enough to dismiss anything they have to say here on forward and forever.

I have answered your question. Yes, they absolutely rooted for Trump. Go there now and see for yourself. Yes, they love Putin more than Obama and Yes, they seemed concern over Hillary not being trust worthy but believe Trump is better. They're selfish. They ROOT for the death of our democracy just so they can feel righteous. It's sick.

supporting the Planet and the ones in our Country who will go hungry and be without shelter with the rw taking over our government.

Not to mention the rw take over of SCOTUS.

These are the same people who say they want to take over the Democratic party.. ??

But to do that there has to be a viable, functioning society for that or any party to exist in and be a part of.

Their approach seems to be destroy the society so that nothing can function, then pick up the pieces. It might ultimately work, but many will suffer or die, many.

I guess if you are not in any of the categories of people who will suffer first or the most, it is easier to say "let's elect Trump and see what happens."

I will tell you what happens, it will be so bad and it will happen so quickly, you wont be able to keep up with the incoming stories of chaos and destruction.

The only question will be will nuclear weapons be involved at any point, and I think for the first time since 1962 the likelihood of that is about 50/50.

They were a (supposedly) leftist terror group in Uruguay. They figured their antics would cause a right wing crackdown (correct so far), and a popular backlash that would overthrow the neo-fascists and install a leftist gobierno popular (people's government), which never occurred. Oh, they got their fascists, alright, but that's as far as they got.

Any self-declared leftists thinking they would accomplish that goal in the USA by supporting Trump are probably in for a similar let-down. I know one. She still uses terms like "Killary" and thinks she is a people's hero, and is proud of her "efforts (internet armchair warrior)" to see Trump elected, positive it is the next best outcome to seeing Bernie Sanders inaugurated. She is slightly physically handicapped, and is in for a rude awakening when she finds that what little medical care she can get will soon either be paid for out of her disability or not paid for at all. I will not be contributing to any "go fund me" that she may set up, since she has been actively promoting "go fuck you" with her Trump support.

...to see these arguments for the delusions they are. The 18th through 20th centuries are replete with blood-soaked examples too numerous to mention.

They're very much like Trump.

especially their pychie in my opinion.

As if you know nothing about JPR.

Some were banned from this site for their racist behavior.

Many on that site called for the killing of Clinton. Others exclaimed their joy at the thought of a bunch of men pissing on her head.

They stand for hate. Racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. It's a part of every fiber of their being. Ignorant hate.

There you go. Now you aren't waiting anymore.

They are sick fucks. Clintons plans on expanding mental healthcare in this country would have greatly benefited many of them. They are Trump Humpers.

stop being so belligerent.

if you want to harass the OP, take it to email

of the rigged in selection of trumputin. They are rwingers.

They care nothing about our Planet or our country.

Presidency for years.

Hence my 'obsession' with them

Had they not routinely disrupted at du I wouldn't give a shit. Lot of crazy losers on the internet I don't care about.

The same JPR idiots who supported Sanders were the ones attacking President Obama

They would post something negative about President Obama in every thread. Even threads that had nothing to do with him or the primaries at all.

I saw it all and it was sickening. And many of the posts about Hillary were downright obscene.

And the racist posts were obvious, though they denied they were racist.

... why some people think that any reference to JPR constitutes "obsession".

DUers have been discussing RW sites for years - and no one ever felt compelled to label such discussion as an "obsession" with those sites.

What makes JPR particularly interesting to many of us is the fact that it's a RW site posing as a "progressive" site, full of comments from alleged "progressives" who spew RW talking points, link to RW sources, and are obviously led-by-the-nose by RWers.

I kept waiting for a post from Jimrob....

...to "promote" a candidate merely to weaken the ultimate candidate. Once their job was done here they drifted over there to compare notes and pat each other on the back, "Well done!"

Sadly on November 8 we found that their destructive activity worked.

It was no coincidence that certain DU posters who did nothing but bash Dems 24/7 wound up over there - posing as "progressives" on JPR, the same way they posed as Democrats on DU.

calling out those who are supporting the asshole pervert trumputin and the rw agenda's to take over the country.

Our very Planet's life is at stake... this is nothing to crap around with.

We are looking at massive corruption ahead.

I gotta ask... why do you confuse the words "concern" and "obsess?" Is that confusion your donation to the English language?

Trump is not status quo ! Yeah!

years .

We seem to have left out that they are capitalist imperialist running dogs.

No such luck.

that wished that "cosmic fate would give Hillary a stroke"

It's not misdirection. They are SCIUM

Anywhere near the level of outrage. Funny that.

I dont have any links to the threads, but they are there. To be honest I cant really remember why he was being called a racist, I do know that it was sometime late summertime though.

Some of it was outright stated, but the majority was repeatedly implied. Strongly implied.

Additionally, many who could not get enough of that also resorted to implying that even Bernie's supporters were racist (and sexist, xenophobic, indifferent to the plight of others, and violent, ect. ect.)...

It was almost as if Bernie and his supporters were being equated to Trump and his despite Left and Right wing Populism being the polar opposites of each other.

I like to pretend thing exist only if I perceive them as such as well. Our shared use of irrational thought and our denial of critical thought in this instance is most convenient, yes?

Funny that, part doo.

By 3.8 million votes. Bernie lost, and JPR chose to support Trump out of hatred for Clinton and the millions of voters who supported her.

Some of those people have never voted Democrat. There are Paulites and Reaganites, in addition to particular resentment toward people of color and women.

Just sayin' some of the rhetoric coming from low post count noobs seems awfully familiar

I agree. I'm pretty sure I've identified at least a couple of them.

I'm a member of that site in addition to this one. I don't support Trump. I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. I see things I like and dislike at both sites.

The fact is that JPR, like DU, is open to a variety of opinions. A broad-brush characterization of JPR is like saying that, in the primaries, "DU supported Bernie Sanders" or "DU supported Hillary Clinton." Each of those statements about DU would be an oversimplification.

During the general-election campaign, JPR, like DU, was open to posts advocating a vote for Clinton. A difference between the sites is that JPR was also open to posts advocating a vote for Jill Stein, as DU was not. Since the election, JPR has seen discussions between, on the one hand, progressives stress the flaws of the Democratic Party and who think we should be looking instead toward the Green Party or a new third party, and, on the other hand, those of us who reject third-party politics and advocate working to reform the Democratic Party. That's another debate that's not permitted on DU. Maybe instead of posting on DU to throw mud at JPR, some folks could consider joining the debate there. Yes, if they do that, they'll run the risk of reading posts they disagree with, but that happens on DU as well.

You write, "I see things I like and dislike at both sites." I'm completely on board with you on that point (and on everything else in your post).

Clinton had aids, says a lot more about you than any false equivalence between du and jpr.

And incidentally that was only locked after it was roundly mocked on du.

vulgar name in the book.

For all the curses that they threw at Hillary, President Obama, and anyone who supported them during the primaries, I throw it right back at them with extreme prejudice.

Hillary lost in Wisconsin by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote in Wisconsin. Similar things in Michigan, and other critical swings sates. How many of those over there, and with the same mindset voted third party?

Russ Feingold and Zypher Teachout lost, along with every Democrat running for the Senate against the ESTABLISHMENT, repulbican, INCUMBENT. How many of the 47% who didn't vote were from that mindset.

They knowledge that they will get exactly what they deserve over there from a trump presidency, will brings little satisfaction to the millions who will be suffering at their selfishness:

Noam Chomsky perhaps said it best:

'Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’

.......

"“I think they [made] a bad mistake,” said Chomsky, who reiterated that it’s important to keep a “greater evil” from obtaining power, even if you’re not thrilled with the alternative. “I didn’t like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump’s on every issue I can think of.”

Chomsky also attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

The JPR admins have banned Pizzagate posts. For a while there was a banner up on the site to make sure the message got across. The policy is still in effect but the banner's gone, so I can't link you directly to it, but it's quoted in the first two lines of this post:

Only after the election and after they were called out for their nutzoness.

The basic problem, though, is the methodology that pervades this thread. It's to look at a discussion board (which by definition is open to different viewpoints), find a few posts that can be derided, and use them to smear the whole site.

The best way for me to illustrate that fallacy would be to adduce examples from DU, but that would probably be alerted, so I must regretfully decline to spread any more wisdom on this topic. Happy New Year to you and yours.

If reading criticisms of Hillary Clinton bothers you, may I respectfully suggest that you not read JPR.

Some people, such as chwaliszewski (#24) and myself, read both sites. Nevertheless, I'm not urging that course on other people, for their tastes may differ from mine.

Enlighten us all as to how the following constitutes "criticism":

Posting a photoshopped pic of Hillary with a shit-stain on the back of her skirt.

Posting that the Clintons personally directed the murder of dozens of political adversaries.

Posting that Clinton "thugs" beat-up Bernie the night of the Convention in order to force him to concede.

Posting that Clinton "thugs" threatened the lives of Bernie's grandchildren if he refused to campaign for HRC.

Posting that HRC was dying of Alzheimer's/ Parkinson's/ epilepsy (and various other diseases) and was lying to the public about her condition.

Posting that HRC was using a body-double at campaign appearances to hide her illnesses and/or her deranged mental state due to the meds she was taking for her many (non-existent) health conditions.

Posting that HRC had a teleprompter embedded in her podium at debates because she was too mentally "out of it" or "strung out on drugs" to answer questions without pre-written answers being provided.

And posting that "pizzagate" was a FACT - the ban on which only came about after JPR was repeatedly ridiculed for buying into such a preposterous story.

The above is just a small sampling of what's been posted there - and they aren't one-off posts. They were posts that garnered a LOT of attention, replies, and RECs.

A LOT of people, who post here on DU and elsewhere, saw those posts and aren't about to forget them. There is no point in denying them, or denying how many JPR posters glommed onto those stories and spread them.

Maybe THAT is your idea of "criticism". For most people, it is pure, unadulterated Hillary-hate and serves no purpose other than to fabricate lies and proffer them as truth. We also won't forget the Obama hatred, and the hatred for the Democratic Party, that was posted on JPR on a daily basis. Any Dem who didn't support Bernie was tossed under the bus - ridiculed and demeaned regardless of their long-standing records as front-line fighters for progressive causes.

" ... their tastes may differ from mine."

Yeah, no kiddin'. Most people who are interested in intelligent political discussion don't have a "taste" for hate sites. Most Democrats don't have a "taste" for sites that so blatantly have no other agenda than to besmirch the Democratic candidate with out-and-out lies, and urge voting AGAINST that candidate in order to ensure the defeat of Democrats in the GE. Most Democrats don't have a "taste" for sites that pose as "progressive" while constantly quoting, linking-to, and praising RW sources in order to sway people from voting FOR the Dem nominee simply because they are hanging onto their butt-hurt that their candidate-of-choice failed to win the nomination.

Defend JPR all you want. We who have seen it KNOW what it is - a hate site designed to defeat Democrats.

Well, you all got what you wished for - pResident Donald J. Trump. Hope y'all are happy as you lose your rights, your freedoms, your healthcare, etc. - because, as so many JPR posters said, he'll be SO MUCH BETTER than having Hillary in the White House.

Edited to add: I notice that the "HRC is dying from ____ disease" posts pretty much disappeared after election night. So did she have a miraculous recovery - or is this JPR's way of admitting those stories were all bullshit to begin with, but they posted them anyway?

i just glanced at a couple posts. THEY SPEW HATRED AGAINST HILLARY.

Why were those people allowed to post their hate here? Never should have happened!!!

DU should NEVER allow hatred to Democrats be posted. Never again

Thanks Nance for going into detail about the hate directed to President Hillary so we can make sure we knew what was going on in the background.
I'm pretty naive about all that stuff.

Although predictably there will be those DEMANDING links to each and every post and whining when you don't provide them. When in reality a cursory reading of that site will show them each and every one of your examples.

That's because so many people have already looked at the site, and need no further proof of what it is. They've seen it firsthand.

Even those I know as the staunchest Bernie supporters lasted less than 48 hours there - realizing at once that JPR is full of RWers posing as "Bernie-supporting progressives".

JPR is a great site for those who think Alex Jones is too subtle, and doesn't advance enough ludicrous CTs to keep the mentally deranged entertained.

Sid

"The JPR admins have banned Pizzagate posts..."

Once it began illustrating them as fools without question or qualifier, it was an efficient decision to make. No doubt, you'll rationalize it as something else... bias often forces us to do as much.

C*nt and n$@@er but not anything pro-Hillary.
They are trolls running a literal hate site.

Pardon my direct language, but this whole thread has exhausted my patience.

Like chwaliszewski, I voted for Bernie in the primary and for Clinton in the general. I posted several times on JPR defending the latter choice and refuting specific attacks on Clinton. Since the election, some people on JPR have posted general attacks on the Democratic Party, and I've posted with my reasons for thinking that progressives should stick with the Democratic Party instead of looking to the Greens or a new third party.

Not one of those posts of mine has ever been hidden.

Posters were not allowed to suggest that Bernie wouldn't win the nomination. Posts were either removed or "edited" by site moderators. This was a published rule.

I saw things on JPR that were so disgusting they turned my stomach. Photoshops of Hillary Clinton made to look like she was incontinent. Dozens of threads promoting the false narrative that she was sick - with AIDS, Parkinson's, "seizure disorder," and so on and so on.

I'm sure that JPR is funded with money from Putin. The narratives are all the same.

The site helped elect Trump. I hope you're proud.

To recap, bettyellen said (in #34) that JPR "hid all posts defending Hillary. That was literally their only hard rule." I said that was a lie. Your response is to say that you "saw the rule posted there," but your reference is to a different subject, namely Bernie's prospects in the primary.

I said that bettyellen's assertion was a lie. Here's just one of numerous posts on JPR that urged a vote for Clinton and that was not hidden.

Now you add a whole bunch of new stuff, the most laughable of which is that "JPR is funded with money from Putin." If JPR members decide to do a parallel thread to this one, maligning all of DU based on pointing to specific posts, that knee-slapper will deserve pride of place.

But, really, I've been enough of a killjoy. People on DU are understandably despondent over the impending inauguration of Trump and the prospect for four horrible years. If some of them find that JPR-bashing is a welcome distraction from the unpleasantness of the real world, the rest of us should probably just let the hatefest go on.

Hell, one said that Trump would be 4 years of "comedy" while implying Clinton would be worse.

The worst part is the real JackPineRadical would NOT have liked that site at all. They appropriated his handle for RW causes.

Guess what? The country isn't going to suddenly wake up and embrace Bernie. Instead, you're just as out of luck as the rest of us.

Not shocked someone is using false information to defend them. Fake news was definitely popular there.

Go over there and make a post about technology/automation (and not trade deals) as being the primary and future cause of blue collar manufacturing job loss and your post will be deleted and you will be accused of pushing talking points they do not agree with. Or better yet, post a critical Bernie topic such as how he failed to appeal to minority voters which is why he lost the primary and you will have the wrath of a thousand keyboards descend upon you.

JPR is the left's version of a conspiracy-filled hate site that loves Russia and the incoming president more than they love America and the current outgoing president. That place is a sewer not much different than 4chan.

I've seen trump apologists on here but they didn't last long.

That would be promoting the rw bullshit agenda.

Place is gross

course.

I've only visited a few times, but it seemed most people there were originally for Bernie, and some later voted Green Party, or wrote in Bernie. Both before and after the election the posts I've seen there were all negative about Trump.

If you're going to make an accusation that they're praising Putin and supporting Trump, you should link to the specific post. Also just because an individual or two may have posted something pro-Trump doesn't mean that reflects the thinking of the majority at the site, just as the occasional troll here will post something outrageous.

I disagreed with them censoring pro-Hillary posts just as I disagreed with DU censoring pro-Sanders people.

It's too bad there's no site on the Net that seems to allow honest discussion and differing viewpoints among liberals/progressives/Democrats. Sometimes Dems are their own worst enemies, dividing instead of uniting.

Here are one example from a thread that is interspersed with folks so glad they didn't vote for Hillary, which essentially was a vote for trump by the way:

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/i-am-glad-to-finally-have-so-many-in-my-camp/


"I had so hoped Bernie would have been the one to run against Trump but when that didn’t happen I backed Trump because it was the biggest FU I could give both parties."

.....


"AnnieL, I'm SO sorry I didn't vote for Hillary!

NOT!

I live in a swing state and I voted for Jill Stein and I’m glad I did!"

....

"I live in a swing state and proudly wrote in Bernie. I will never regret it!"

......

"Reregistered Green, voted Dr. Stein. Happy."

.......

"By "in my camp" I meant wanting a third party.

I have no hope of the Democratic Party changing anything. Pelosi said it outright. They are mad at us for supporting Bernie. They still expect us to get in line. They won’t learn so we have no choice but to build a third party. Try doing that if Hill was in power. That is why I chose Trump over her. He doesn’t have us in his sites. She would have. If you can’t understand that I can’t make it more clear."

.........

"
30. Clinton would have been far far worse than Trump.

In addition we dissenters would have been silenced or sentenced as basement dwellers or worse. At least with Trump we can dissent, we can protest, we can complain and we can vote without shame.

Clinton would have led us to full-blown war and threatened us all with nuclear war. No I will never regret my vote and I would never had help my nose…in the event that Trump’s presidency is a full-blown disaster I would still NEVER believe that Clinton would have been better.
"

.........

These types of comments are not difficult to find over there. Neither is the President Obama and Hillary hate comments

condone comments like that on JPR. I don't, that's why I don't make them. I don't support Trump (I detest him, actually), do not bash Hillary, and do not agree with everything Bernie has suggested. I actually would like to see Al Franken run for the Dem-Nom in 2020.

including those who may frequent that other place. did vote for Hillary in the General Election.

Bernie himself encouraged his supporters to vote for Hillary in the general. While losing the Presidency was bad enough, losing the Senate was a disaster for us.

I realize that no one here would argue with that.

The Post Mortem group has just become another place to re-fight the primaries.

In my view a better use would be a group whose purpose is the best way either stop trump from doing the damage he seems intent on doing, or at least delaying, and doing whatever is necessary to protect those programs so vital to so many.

Unless we can convince three republicans in the Senate to protect some of the programs, it is going to be very hard though

"That is why I chose Trump over her. He doesn’t have us in his sites." Really? Which websites might those be, anyhow?

Using "sites" instead of "sights" is like using "your" instead of "you're," "loose" where "lose" was meant, or using an apostrophe to form a plural. These are classic indications of a Republican posing as one of us, the same way they use "Democrat" instead of Democratic.

The day the White House stated that intelligence agencies had concluded that Russia meddled with our election, I saw immediate posts here questioning the evidence. Then I saw Putin himself quoted in the media, using the same exact wording. It was clear that talking points went out.

Some of the posters who repeat the talking points are useful tools, repeating what they receive. Others are paid contractors.

There are probably numerous little sites like JPR, not to mention zillions of Facebook pages. I believe that seed funding for those sites comes from the same source, supplemented by pocket change from the useful tools.

It's pathetic. People should know better.

But then, you would think someone like Trump wouldn't get more that 20% of the vote in a country with mandatory education, too.

As for JPR, "veni, vidi, satis (I came, I saw, I had enough)."

the posters

I have no idea if some of the posters over there are trolls or not. I don't frequent that forum, but what happened during the primaries over here was disgusting.

This past year was the first time since joining DU that I took a long leave of absence. It was voluntary, not forced. I had a post hidden for the first time ever, being accused of equating Bernie Sanders with Hitler (I didn't, although I did equate the fanaticism of some of his supporters, to that of fanatic NSDAP supporters--but that wasn't mentioned as the reason for the hiding). When I saw the reasons for the hide, it was clear to me who was running the asylum here, and I left from February until after the convention in Philadelphia.

The primary season at DU became one long I-Hate-Hillary fest, with a few--far too few--exceptions. I didn't make up my mind for a while after that, and my first contribution, as a matter of fact, was $150 to the Sanders campaign. I wasn't yet convinced one way or the other, but I figured his was a voice that needed to be heard. The vitriol on DU got to be too much, and I said I don't need this, so auf Wiedersehen. I had heard about JPR, and so took a look. There were enough mixed nuts on DU already, and JPR just was a bigger jar, so I hung out at DFP when at all. It's small, but has 99% level heads, which was more my speed.

As for the spelling, it appears to be an almost standardized rule in some right wing circles to have a certain way of spelling things. I'm not talking about Russians, who are easy to spot for the most part. Russian does not have articles (a, an, the) and Russians tend to leave them out when writing English, or use them in the wrong places. Also, Russian does not have the verb "to be" in the present tense, so they are unsure how to use "is" or "are" until they are very practiced in English. "Vladimir Putin is a great leader" in Russian becomes "Vladimir Putin great leader." But the right wing in America seems to have gone beyond just "Democrat" instead of "Democratic." It seems to have started with the random incorrect use of an apostrophe to form a plural (e.g. "I hate the Clinton's&quot . That is a telltale BS perversion of English, as there isn't a school in the world that instructed school kids to use an apostrophe to form a plural in English where English has never used one--ever. Why Republicans do that, as well as using "there" for "they're" as so on, is beyond me. Maybe it's just a case of monkey see, monkey do. Maybe someone just saw a typo on a Fox Noise post, and figured since it was from Fox, it must be correct, and every other text in English for the last 300 years has been wrong.

...are lying about that place need to be forcefully countered. What better way to counter them than with their own words?

reported on here.

It's disgusting and I'm glad the OP is exposing it.

Yes, we must expose and remember who they are. They have no credibility to speak about anything progressive.

... who is in a position to know such things, 85% of the posters on DU were pro-Bernie during the primaries. So let's not even go there with the "censoring pro-Sanders" bullshit.

The only "censoring" the Bernie supporters experienced was when HRC was declared the nominee, and they could no longer bash her 24/7 on DU.

It was the Bernie supporters who established their own website where they were free to call Hillary a "c*nt", accused her of literally murdering her political adversaries, and claimed she was dying of a dozen diseases and was lying to the public about her fatal condition.

So don't even talk about "dividing instead of uniting". And if you didn't see anyone there rooting for Trump, you obviously didn't bother to have a good look around.

of the attempts to rewrite history to suit some agenda.

seems to be forgotten by some.

Thanks Nance

This is about ROOTING for Trump which essentially means rooting for what he is doing and what he stands for. Yes, they rooted for Trump and had a grand fiesta when he won. There is Putin praise there right now EVERYWHERE.

But some of them were so completely deluded by their bogus "progressivism" that they went on like the hateful-est trolls on the skeeziest sites for years and nobody here could shut them down. Well, they finally self-exiled, and it's a big improvement.

There are still a few left. We must not forget what they stand for. They should never have any credibility regarding electing our officials.

The hatred of Congressman Lewis in that site is disturbing
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/bernie-swiftboater-john-lewis-heckled-during-msnbc-interview/ and https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/thank-you-rep-john-lewis/

Trolls appropriated the name of a beloved DUer who is probably rolling in his grave at the disrespectful misuse of his name on a site that promotes bigotry of all stripes and pushes conspiracy theories and Putin propaganda funded by people who are literally destroying the U.S. and the earth.

Booing him is disrespectful and wrong, even if you disagree with him on some issue.