2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders points to Comey and Putin interventions as causes of election loss.
Just kidding. LOL. He's still peddling his "white working class" theory, based on the stunning victories of Zephyr Teachout and Russ Feingold. What's going on Bernie?
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LisaM
(28,933 posts)Chuckle.
uponit7771
(92,308 posts)... election but he is!?!?
Naw, fuck this...
brush
(58,662 posts)Putin and Comey.
He's like a broken record with the concern for the WWC and his bashing of we Dems' identity politics (meaning POCs).
Can't help but love his transparency though.
DURHAM D
(32,874 posts)Or, he could just watch Rachel tonight as she called Trump a liar over and over again. She read from the report after showing film footage of Hillary standing up for the Russian people in 2011 because Putin was stealing the election.
She stood up for the Russian people and too many idiots did not stand up for her.
riversedge
(74,106 posts)the video of that segment later.
Gothmog
(157,427 posts)Rachel did a great job on showing how trump lied http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-lies-about-intelligence-report-on-russia-easily-spotted-849590851652
Gothmog
(157,427 posts)This is a good article that demonstrates that Sanders would have under performed in the general election https://extranewsfeed.com/bernie-sanders-was-on-the-2016-ballot-and-he-underperformed-hillary-clinton-3b561e8cb779#.jbtsa3epl
And the white workers whose supposed hate for corporate interests led them to vote for Trump? They dont seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They dont seem to be angry that Trumps cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we havent heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.
The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.
But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isnt necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Lets take a look at how he performed.
After looking at a number of races where sanders supported candidates under perform Hillary Clinton, that author makes a strong closing
Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isnt as popular as its made out to be.
Trump would have destroyed sanders in a general election contest.
JI7
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Cha
(306,795 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)We lost MANY working people and the party has done a SHIT SHIT SHIT job in the last eight years with organizing and messaging!!! PERIOD! That is the plain REALITY! It is INDISPUTABLE! To fix this SHITTY FUCKING MESS we need to take an honest look at the SHIT SHIT SHIT job WE have been doing!! Fix the DNC, tell corporate "Democrats" to FUCK OFF, organize at the grass roots EVERYWHERE, stop wasting millions on FUCKING POLLSTERS AND CONSULTANTS, stop WASTING time going to rich fancy fundraisers, and have a FUCKING MESSAGE for working people again. THAT is how you actually WIN elections.
BlueMTexpat
(15,519 posts)![](/emoticons/chuckle.gif)
As if that would ever happen ...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Should be the name of his book/retirement tour.
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)He can stop attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party now.
otohara
(24,135 posts)in a state Hillary won
Mike Coffman cruised to victory too - Sanders campaigning didn't help Morgan Carroll either.
How sad our president takes some responsibility for the losses of 2016 but not the real culprit Sanders and his nasty ass BorB'sters.
boston bean
(36,651 posts)mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)only to find out it's nothing more than another bash Bernie Sanders post.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)Comey or Russia, which are vast distractions from the harsher truth. Why as a party aren't we pointing to the thing that is going to lose us the election in 2 years and in 4, and lost us every midterm, and elected W twice?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Just as much as they helped Trump in the general.