So, yes, Obama is the last..... . . .

Donald Trump is seriously ill and will be removed in time what comes after?

If you use that as a standard, 2012 was the last free and fair election in the US. Going forward who ever controls the election counting computers control the results. Plus add in a propaganda disinformation operation, no more freedom!

I would not trust anyone in the United States to monitor votes

In the future Trump and his kind will just fake the counting process. President Obama was the last real President.

His ego demands it and his handlers and flunkies will make it happen. At least in my opinion.

4 decades, and the Democrats have been putting up, at most, a wishy-washy
protest -- if any protest at all. This present stronger protest on their part seems
to be something new. Does it have to take a Donald Trump to wake Democrats up?

If the idea of abolishing elections was at the very least floated if not implemented.

Up until a few months ago I would have said "No, it would never happen". That even the people who voted for him would be against it given that elections are one of the fundamental freedoms that even his base hold sacred...

However after watching one of trumps rallies prior to the election where trump was spitballing at the podium saying "why are we even having an election, just make me president, why even have it" and hearing the crowd cheer the idea the possibility of the elections being abolished suddenly became very real.

Then another in four years. Then another four years after that.

Other countries will continue to attempt to "hack" our elections moving forward. They have in the past and will continue to do so moving forward. Why wouldn't they? It's not like we are or should be above the same tactics.

Even with all of the messed up stuff we were extremely close to winning. We must win two years years. Fair elections must be our priority. I'm not done fighting. Not even close. Next set of elections are right around the corner. Many of us are already working on them. Literally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_elections,_2018

... any despot want free and fair elections going foward?!!?

I'm no undersrtanding what dems think we're going to gain in 18!?!

I'm not sure why you think Trump is going to carry the day. Even with the help of his buddies. One of my biggest concerns is that he isn't tied as tightly to the Republican Party as I want. We have no despot. Not even close. That is hyperbole that takes your whole thought into fantasy land. I don't get why you are even concerned if you truly believe what you are writing. What's the point if it's over? Some of us aren't done fighting. When did I say those entities weren't hacked?

... nothing in your response outlined how to keep them from doing such !!

I'm thinking most don't see the extent of the treason here by Benedict Donald

If a person can take money from your locked house once that person is going to keep taking money from your locked house if all the consequence they get is mean names and police reports.

What about that is ambiguous?!!?

Time now to do some strange shit... not "work" a strategy that makes no sense to work when they have hacked elections up and down the output line !!!

Help me out here

thx in advance

I expect them to. I expect other to as well.

... lil frustrated these days after the report.

I held out that it wasn't that bad.. I was seriously disappointed when I read they hacked state and local level electoral boards in some states ... that means they got access to data... the level of effect from that access is irrelevant ...

It means they can get into state level data... most likely red state level data but that's just my opinon.

just really disappointed at the relative non response of MoC.... they should be doin some strange shit right now... not just trying to fight battles that are lost before any actions are taken.

It should be expected. We should also expect them to pay a price. That's the missing element. Dirty little secret. We do it as well.

Fact not in dispute.

... foreign actors and foreign actors openly advocating for a candidate with hacked data?

Of course I'm not talking about any of these things happening other countries cause the premise of that intimation is irrelevant to the point of whether or not we should tolerate it in the US.

It's not possible to discuss openly under such constraints. It makes no sense discussing under such constraints. I'm amazed at how little is known when it comes to other governments interfering in our elections and us in theirs.

Have at it playing the constraint game. Just not worth it. We have literally ended democracies and installed monarchs thinking they would be more favorable to us. That takes a hack any day of the week. But noooo.......

... high level involvement by foreign actors in US elections proffered by another country.

I do think we have a duty to say fuck that; we shouldn't have to accept involvement by foreign actors in anyway including moving the conversation on to shotgun tactics aren't going to work when the other team has a tank.

Right?!

tia

election.

In a non-democratic form of government!! If our generation just packs it in a plays peasant - you can kiss American democracy goodbye - it will go the way of the dinosaur - just as Russia's brief democracy got disappeared by Trump's partner Pootie.

... Russia hacked this election?!!?

....will in a Twilight Zone twist of irony, be correct.

I'm not going to bother to dignify the hyperbole in this thread with further comment.

The elections are not free and fair if the votes cannot be accurately recounted in a transparent manner. Trump can or cannot be the actual president since the vote cannot be accurately recounted. The Russians did do something with the US election computers but the US will not pursue the matter.

She was a blind Balkan Psychic who died in 1996 and predicted that the 44th US President would be an African American and that he would be the last US President.

Nice to know you have heard of her.

Hopefully the people who are agreeing with this will have the intellectual honesty to own up to this foolishness in the future.