by contacting the IRS.

The Personal Financial disclosure is required by the FEC.

...a Personal Financial Disclosure, as indicated in the article in the OP.

that Bernie should slither down to this standard? And Liberals and progressives are indeed calling out Trump, so why let Bernie off the hook? He did promise, like Trump, to release information, and gave squirrley reasons for not doing so. What are they hiding anyway?

Even Donald Trump did so.

Sanders filed a request for an extension, then filed a second request for an extension beyond the date of the convention (convenient) and then decided he wasn't a candidate so he never file it.

What makes him so special that he didn't have to do what every other Federal candidate has to do? The big question that many people are asking, "what does he have to hide?"

No doubt, that's the narrative you use to dismiss and trivialize concerns of this issue, regardless of your fallacious use of "proof" rather than the accurate "evidence."

On the other hand, one wonders if the great reponse to this thread (including yours), this topic and this OP illustrates your premise as wholly without merit.

Sacred cows are sacred, indeed.

Has Bernie bashing become a sport?

As fare as "that far back", do you know how many on this site complained all spring about Clinton being a "Goldwater Girl" WAY back in 1964 when she was only 17 years old?

I agree with you that Bernie played lose on this but he didn't break any election laws. It's like I said earlier to you. We will just have to wait until March 15th or there abouts to see if Bernie files his annual reports.

I don't like the fact that Hillary was a Goldwater girl at all. I've mentioned that here on this board, as you probably know, I don't think she still holds that kind of political thinking tho. I admire that the people that Hillary holds closest are POC. What irks me are when people use that Hillary was only 17. What does that have to do with anything other than a reference of time?

On a lighter note. Are you the poster that loves Seinfeld too?

...but when I was 17 and in high school, I campaigned for a mayoral candidate in NYC - William F. Buckley! As Mel Allen used to say, "how 'bout that?"

People change over the years. Hillary Clinton has demonstrated for decades that she's not truly a "Goldwater girl". On the other hand, if one studied the ideology and history of Barry Goldwater*, they'd realize that to him the country came first, political ideology came second. He was the one who went to see Richard Nixon privately back in 1973 and convinced him to resign.

*William F. Buckley was the same way, he cared more about the United States than he did about conservatism. Conservatives of the 1960s and 1970s were nothing like "conservatism" has been since the Reagan 1980s and onward.

And yes, I am a Seinfeld fanatic!

Trump proves it does not matter.

The picture of him handing over his sword is something else.



Also, is it just me or did he clean up good or what?

women and his rape fantasies. But then who really cares...it's only about women.

Also, please don't lump me into the woman hater crowd.

Trump had an oppo book on Sanders that was two feet thick. http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

just like Donald Trump, all the while attacking others who followed rules he pretends don't apply to him.

Trump gets away with lying constantly and the voters love it. Why worry about Bernie's background?

It is indeed, ethically convenient to lower the standards on anyone we ourselves support, and rationalize that lowering of standards by pointing towards the lowest standard available.

We'll never be wrong if we predicate our ethics on the lowest common denominator. Yours is the petulant excuse used by seven year olds since time immemorial: "they did it too!!!"

I personally do not accept this standard.

and to the same standards I hold Hillary Clinton. Bernie is acting like Trump and I won't lower my standards for any of them.

Why do you keep pointing to Trump when Bernie is doing the same thing, and his supporters keep trying to dismiss it?

He said he'd do these things, HRC already has, surely Bernie should be acting less like Trump and living up to his own word, lest he be called a constant liar, who is shadily hiding his finances, right?

What exactly is the problem with transparency anyway?

of the Little Bird. That should be all ANYONE needs to know about our new Savior of the Democratic Party which he refuses to join.

Without campy and tired movie quotes, many people would be unable to add anything of substance. Actually, I think it yet holds true even with the presence of campy and tired movie quotes as well.

However, we all like to maintain the pretense our additions are somehow relevant, so I get it. You're gonna need a bigger boat...

250 pages of possible violations...Trump Campaign

http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/964/201701100300074964/201701100300074964.pdf

...is also required to file a Personal Financial Disclosure. Sanders never filed that in 2016, and took the unprecedented steps of asking TWICE for extensions, the second of which was for a date after the Convention.

I predicted when he first asked for an extension that we'd never see that Disclosure. I'm sorry that I was correct.

goldman sachs.

you're really going to cast stones from within a glass house on this one?

...who the principles of Old Towne Media LLC are?

Instead of being cryptic. Hillary used GMMB.

A sales commission and that is not uncommon in contracts.

I remember this story when it came out and it didn't make much sense then either other than a rather unheard of media company received a huge ad buy and that it was odd that one of the founders chose to use her maiden name. Since your supplied link hit the net OTM now looks to be a front for Cannal Media Partners.

Personally I'm not surprised or disappointed that a few key campaign officials and vendors made a lot of money. Especially considering that more money could have been if they followed contact norms.

Another thing he says in that article is "splitting a single-digit-percentage commission" (actually getting a single digit percentage commission, the other half received by someone else)

Also noted in the article is that "someone else" could be the reason why Sanders refused to file that Federal Personal Financial Disclosure or release his tax returns.

why that matters.

Yes. It's the same as when a home buyer asks both Realtors to split the commission. Doesn't always work but it's not uncommon.

That's conjecture but feel free to think that Bernie waited all this time to get rich off of politics.

As for getting rich off politics, we don't know. But what I do know is that Sanders' fellow Vermont Senator, Pat Leahy, has a reported net worth much less than Sanders, and he's been at the higher paying Senate job longer than Sanders has been at his House or Senate jobs combined.

While $200k over Pat might seem like a lot. It could just be that Bernie has a rental property in his portfolio.

He wasn't an owner and the seller pays the sale commission. Buyers don't pay a commission. The agents split the sellers money.

Back to the drawing board for you.

Next?

Seller lists with the listing broker/agent and negotiates a commissioner produce a buyer ready willing and able to purchase based on the seller's terms (or negotiated terms). Usually around 6% ish. The listing agent/broker places the property in the MLS with the terms payable to any potential cooperating brokers. Typically split but it can be more or less and/or can include a bonus.

A buyers agent brings a buyer to the table and thereby becomes a cooperating broker/agent when the buyer's offer is accepted. The cooperating broker agent is paid from the seller's broker cut.

A tricky but more well known ( as of late) issue in the business is the fact the seller is paying the commission to a cooperating broker and therefore doesn't necessarily owe YOU a fiduciary duty. In other words, absent additional buyer broker agreements, YOUR OWN agent can legally conspire against you (within ethical bounds).

This is BECAUSE the seller is paying the commissions.

This is how it's worked in the hundreds of transactions I've been involved in.

...we're off the track.

The issue is commissions for media buys during the primary campaign. Who got the millions of dollars of commissions for the Sanders campaign media buys? Anyone know definitively?

Selling off all but the house and two acres around it. The realtor is only getting a commission from me, the seller. NOTHING from the buyer. Don't know where you live, but if that is the case, you were hosed.

....of the Sanders campaign's media buys. No one really knows for sure.

You say Miles Kailburn and Vallene Kailburn, others say David Hartig with the Shelli and Heather Hartig.

Also what we don't know is who got all of the 15% commission on that roughly $100 million.

I'm not too worried about it but I'm sure you already know that.

I agree that the truth will eventually come out unless Sanders drops out so that he does not have to file his next report. I would prefer to know how Sanders is paying for the $600,000 for his third house

Hopes that the book sales would cover the mortgage on the backend. I personally don't care that he has multiple properties as long as the books are in order.

I've always found the Manafort - Devine connection fascinatingly bizarre.

Only in politics could you find two guys for hire who worked together to elect a Ukraine oligarch handpicked by Putin and then parted ways to work in the US on opposite sides in the same cycle for two separate come out of nowhere "populist" candidates

Politics does make strange bedfellows.

There has been no public disclosure as to who got the rest of the commission. It was estimated that this is between $4.5 million to $6.5 million

only women are corrupt don't you know.

I remember reading that Bernie's annual income was around $300K. And his house was worth about the same amount. And that he did his own laundry.

What's the point of rehashing all of this? Look at what he is still doing for us--he's in the fight still.

BTW, did you miss that a day or two after the convention, when previous contenders for the nomination traditionally go out on the campaign trail with the nominee, he went up to Vermont to close on a "summer home" that cost more than double his house in Burlington ($650,000)?

You do know that Sanders has three homes now http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/bernie-sanders-summer-house

both in the primary and in the general election her opponents refused to discuss their personal finances and as you thread points out got off scot free. It is hard to imagine that future candidates won't learn that lesson.

....he drives.

But he does own two homes less than 30 miles apart, the second of which he bought two days after the convention for almost three times the value of the average home in Vermont (and 2X his reported net worth)

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It's most certainly is not about his decision to not file his presidential campaign personal financial disclosure form.

Remember this story because it's part of a larger puzzle.

I have too many tabs open

Or, they must be REALLY scared of the possibility that the democratic party is unifying in light of not just the trumputin mess, but the domestic Healthcare mess they are about to unleash.

Unless they go after the fucking peotus about his INCREDIBLE conflicts of interest and financial statements, they have absolutely no credibility whatsoever. This has propoganda written all over it.


It's NBC. GO FIGURE.

Somebody is worrying about the Democratic Party unifying but it is not necessarily NBC.

Grrrrr.....

It doesn't fucking matter. We're within a week of the worst possible nightmare anyone might have imagined. What Hillary did doesn't matter. What Bernie did doesn't matter. What matters is what the fuck do we do now??????????????

And now we have the evil thumpenstein and rethug control for the next 8 years.

"transparency" but refuses to be so?

That's what this is about.

Bernie is small patato compared to Trump

Same folks thought Comney HAD found something illegal and all those "corporate" contributions went from the CEOs straight into campaign coffers.

Perfectly nice people were misled on many issues last year.

Sanders lost way back in the primaries. Trump is about to destroy the nation. Who gives a flying fuck about Sanders FEC forms??????????

Somebody trying to change the subject.....

Boring as fuck this obsession on shitting on Sanders.

We have much bigger problems. Can we stop this stupidity?

....that dug up 30+ years of articles/events to bash her?

My tears may make great lemonade, but the angry tears of Sanders' fans makes wonderful kool-aid.

I will be looking forward to reviewing that report

It may show who owns Old Town Media and why Sanders spent so much on TV ads instead GOTV and ground operations. Read the Daily Kos article http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/31/1532953/-The-Potential-Scandal-at-the-Heart-of-the-Sanders-Campaign

.....decries the greed of the 1%, became a full fledged member himself over the course of a few months.