#America

I think I missed the memo.

he would feel left out.

On another note, I bet Chaffee still polls at zero, even here

Oh boy.

He's got the moderate "appeal" thing.

You could be correct. I'll probably start to pay attention to those losers closer to general election time.

on Dems to get anywhere. And while I can see that some Dems, who tend to be supportive of conservatives, see the NJ Gov race eg, most Dems will not vote to put Repubs in the WH.

However, it's very unlikely that Kasich will win the Repub primary.

More of a tough opponent would be Bush because if they don't win fairly after pouring billions into the race, they are likely to steal it.

While Kasich may not inspire the base as much as some other Republicans, Kasich would definitely get their support. And he's from the crucial state of Ohio. A Kasich-Rubio ticket (with Florida being the other crucial state) could win in spite of the electoral college map favoring Dems. If Clinton is the Democratic Party nominee, you can bet the Republican base will be inspired regardless of who their nominee is. If people think the leftist critique of Clinton is harsh, just wait until the Republican Party starts focusing its attention on her. She's extremely polarizing and has a very high "unfavorable" percentage. The hate is irrational (suggesting that she's a liberal extremist, which is absurd), but since when do Republican voters care about rationality?

Do I think Kasich will be the nominee? I wouldn't bet on it, but it wouldn't shock me either. I'd say he's the 3rd most likely behind Walker and Bush. I'd almost bet money that Rubio will be the VP nominee regardless, though a Bush-Rubio ticket might be "too Florida" for the Republican Party to consider. Then again, Florida is the single most important state.

"Democrats lead 14 out of 15 of the general election match ups we tested in the state. The strongest Republican is John Kasich, who leads Hillary Clinton 43/41. While the rest of the Republican hopefuls trail with independents, Kasich ties her with them at 38%. And Kasich is also winning over 14% of the Democratic vote to Clinton's 10% of Democrats."

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/john-kasich/

I don't buy the 'Kasich would win OH' line.

He was a big cog in the 2008 meltdown, his over the top religious and anti union views and more will show the country, much less OH that he is NOT a leader but an opportunist.

An estimated 400.000 mostly Democratic new voters. Get out the vote and Rubio may well lose his home state.

The only thing that could impact that would be a 3rd party run.

They've got a few...

with Deez Nuts.

I mean, the kid pulled a seriously funny move, I'll grant him that.

Shit, at this point I kind of want Trump, because he holds the potential to sink the GOP's chances not just for this cycle but for the next 10-20 years.

There's always the off chance the fucker could actually get the thing.

Coincidentally, I just posted about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=42715

BTW, what plan did you think I was proposing?

for a generation.

Latinos are the fastest growing demographic in the US voting population.

At this point they may generally feel the GOP is not particularly favorable to their interests, but every second Trump is in front of a camera, the GOP becomes the party of "We Hate You" in Spanish.



That's one reason why Trump drives whatever intelligentsia is left in that party, like George Will, positively fuckin' bonkers.



That's the "plan" I was referring to--- mine, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251546848#post63

away from Republicans for a long time, or are you saying that his being President would cause Americans to turn away from Republicans for a long time? I realize that either of those things would do it, but I don't think Americans will elect him. America ould survive him, I imagine, as it survived Dimson, but the damage will be great and there is only so much damage from the likes of Dimson and Trump that the country can sustain long term.

As an aside, fifteen or not, I have to give Deez Nuts credit for not choosing Trump, as so many of his elders apparently have.

But he'd trash the GOP in the process of losing.

would never say. I must say, I am enjoying that part of it.

honestly, if someone forwarded him as the goose egg on a very progressive forum, would he drop out? Honestly, if I go to a Dem debate and get to ask a candidate a question, I just might ask him why he's polling zero even on the net roots.

He's caught in the Catch-22 of contemporary American politics: You can't gain the support to do well in the polls unless voters and the media take you seriously as a candidate, and you aren't taken seriously as a candidate unless you do well in the polls.

Lincoln Chafee is an honorable man who was clearly right to change parties. From his Wikipedia bio:

lol

#FeelTheChafe



I wonder if we can get it trending?

Remember the April poll that everyone talked about where he was ahead 90-10? Guess it was just name recognition...

After all, The Donald and Senator Sanders are totally ruling New Hampshire.

Give it time...

Seems like the rest of America is quickly catching up with DU.

There were no other candidate choices,
and no "undecided" option.

so it's apples and oranges.

From all the back-and-forth, I was under the impression that it was closer to 50-50 than 80-20.

And I think the wording of the April poll--''Forget if you think they are electable"--explains why the first poll was 90:10 Bernie and this one looks to be more like 75:15. It stands to reason that some percentage of Hillary supporters (10%?) are in her camp not because they prefer her, but because they think she is more electable than Bernie.

she's the one the Party is backing. However, the April poll was only between Bernie and Hillary. This one includes Biden, O'Malley, Webb and Chafee. Also, in April, more Hillary supporters were still pretending to be Bernie supporters, for reasons best known to them.

I know I mostly read and don't start threads but rarely.

Getting the metric system is my top concern.

one clinic I go to uses it, don't mind getting on that scale at all

yes I can fool myself that easily I love the way that tiny number sounds!

I think he has what it takes to win the Primary and then go on to win the General Election.

He has harnessed some massive enthusiasm, even among Libertarian leaning Republicans.

He says what he does, and he does what he says. You can't focus group that kind of integrity, and you can't PR trust.

they are libertarians. met an awful lot of them that think they are just independents.
i think he has a lot of crossover appeal.

Two of my relatives and 3 of my friends are self proclaimed libertarians and they are supporting Bernie Sanders.

Anecdotal, but seems to refute your absolute.

Libertarians, who believe that taxation is evil and that any kind of government action is tyranny are not going to support a progressive who wants to use the government creatively to provide social safety nets, stiff regulation and more progressive taxation.

It's the same reason in reverse why a Progressive won't vote for a Libertarian.

There is 30-40% agreement between the two groups. The 60-70% disagreement is on substantial issues.

People on both sides claim excitement for some of the candidates on the other side, but it never comes to anything.

Makes me feel like the dancing girl in your sig line.

And vote for him.

Hillary Clinton has far greater name recognition, better political connections, and a warchest that dwarfs Bernie's... but with all those advantages, in a poll of some the best-informed Democrats around, she's getting pummeled. What would that suggest?

~ponders~

The vote is your voice! Get in here!

and kick!

I was looking at Bernie hats today...

Maybe I'll get one.
I sent a note asking where I could send a check.

bobthedrummer did a great series of them over the years. The results changed as we got closer to the election.

Now, if I can just figure out how Sydney's Voluptuous Buttocks figure into all of this.

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privileges must not be set up right

That's why the deletes. No sense in posting then.

I wish there was a DU Bucket we could use as temporary storage to link to. one with a size and duration limit I suppose.

Would be cool

Bet you wouldn't have posted it if Hillary were ahead.

I was an Obama supporter in 2007, so I while I appreciate you sharing your heartfelt opinion, I can't see how that follows. I have been here for 10 years, and am observing a fact about DU and the fun of our straw polls.

Are we having fun yet?

We sure are!

That's you compared to me, bmus. But I'm ok w/Starry Messanger. She had a right to defend herself against my little dig. It's cool.

It more than makes up for some of the coolnesses one encounters here and there. Thanks, bmus.

No one trusts anyone else and there are outside forces trying to sow dissent - hence the bannings today.

So if people are mean to newbies that could be the reason.

And some are just mean that way.

There are a couple of people in the HC group who manage to throw a load of iciness my way, so it's not always politics. Sometimes people just rub one another the wrong way. But...

They just have to pay attention and they'll see it too.

Good night, senz.

wrote "HC" supporters when it should have been "Bernie supporters." And that's why the "That's life," etc.

Anyway, G'morning, bmus.

No one I know thinks you're one.

just tidying up for the new crew.

Today is my first day.

It's awesome so far.

i will prolly re-up for the next term.

Thanks -- I thought you were dissing this poll w/Bernie ahead. Didn't know you were just having fun.

Life is short. Please enjoy this DU classic, linked above, in honor of a lesser known candidate, Mr. S. V. Buttocks. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x7950254

Thanks for the reminder!

I forget.

Looks like on average, a jury is seated with 75% Sanders supporters and 13% Clinton supporters.

That explains timeouts for Bravenak and various others.

Hillary supporters.

supporter, a 4-3 vote to hide a post by a Hillary supporter has 4 Bernie supporters voting to hide and two voting not to hide.

That probably indicates that post should not be hidden.

From what you wrote, I'm pretty sure you don't understand what bullying means.

Also, it's not just one "side" that has bullies.

The juror was banned. Apparently it was a troll under a new account.

You are attempting to extrapolate rigged juries off of support in a poll when you have not even come close to determining how many people that took the poll have the capacity of serving on a jury, are willing to do so, and actually do take part.

Also a poll would be a 'data set', not a 'data point.' But that is just quibbling over words on my part.

Ultimately what your post seems to be about is casting aspersions on people that you disagree with.

I certainly do not automatically hide Hillary supporters and I do not automatically leave posts by Bernie supporters. Did you ever stop to think that after an objective and fair deliberation the jurors voted to hide those posts because they deserved to be hidden?

Who is capable of bullying who in terms of the numbers.

Both camps have been complaining about bullying, it's simply not possible for Clinton supporters to be doing in given this poll result.

Sid

Vote!

Wow.

Any chance someone could do a straw poll like this once a month, every 25th, say? It would be--channeling Spock here--fascinating to see how the numbers change over the next several months.

Regardless: Kudos to Agschmid!

Thanks!

This is Other's worst showing in years,

(I was just thinking, how would a candidate who is actually named "Other" do?)