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Other than being a safe refuge, what will we do here? (Original Post) Vincardog Feb 2012 OP
Keep people up on what's happening with occupy. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #1
I think the general idea... ellisonz Feb 2012 #2
DUers from all over the country can alert people UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #4
If there are any DUers or OWS folks in NW Iowa other than me I hope they post. Vincardog Feb 2012 #6
Maybe post a link to this group in your state forum. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #9
Done thanks for the suggestion Vincardog Feb 2012 #10
It's a place for people who Liked the old DU2, but can't have DU2 forever snooper2 Feb 2012 #21
All great ideas. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #3
darts and dominoes. ret5hd Feb 2012 #5
Yeah, we should be pro- Fox and Friends UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #14
Cross pollinate zipplewrath Feb 2012 #7
We could build an online press release facility, to aid Occupy groups is getting their message Vincardog Feb 2012 #8
In terms of being a media-clearinghouse... Chan790 Feb 2012 #11
Taking a page from another organization, we could have a thread to use as a sounding board for art Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #18
I LOVE Occupy and support it fully so am glad to see this -- but I have one concern Remember Me Feb 2012 #12
That's exactly my concern as well. Kaleko Feb 2012 #13
Meant to respond to Remember Me. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #27
Talk on DU is good UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #15
P.S... UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #16
I have some ideas for pinned threads that would allow DUers in each occupy to correspond w/us and ea Leopolds Ghost Feb 2012 #17
Awesome. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #20
I hope my response to you didn't sound sarcastic. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #28
Which one? Remember Me Feb 2012 #31
It wasn't directed at you. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #32
Here you go wiggs Feb 2012 #19
Congratulations! You are now an official backer of Inside Out | Occupy Oakland. Vincardog Feb 2012 #22
Xlnt! Maybe you'll start a trend of DU support for Oakland! I'll probably also wiggs Feb 2012 #24
That is (in my opinion) why we have this group. Vincardog Feb 2012 #25
I'll admit I'm glad to have the safe refuge. backscatter712 Feb 2012 #23
One possible function of the group could be to notify of online public opinion polls Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #26
And also to counter Freeper swarms. UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2012 #29
Exactly. Joe Shlabotnik Feb 2012 #30

ellisonz

(27,736 posts)
2. I think the general idea...
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:48 PM
Feb 2012

...is not not mirror the "Activist Headquarters" group entirely, by having a focus on Occupy, but yes, a broad range of discussion of issues, actions that can be taken both online and offline, and so forth is certainly welcome. The group is not just limited to Occupy actions, but to issues that prompted Occupy in the first place. Hope that was helpful. I think that's probably what most others are imagining too.

in it like you're a puppy dog and this is fresh cut grass!

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
9. Maybe post a link to this group in your state forum.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:10 PM
Feb 2012

I think I'll do that in the New Jersey and New York forums.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
21. It's a place for people who Liked the old DU2, but can't have DU2 forever
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:50 AM
Feb 2012

and Hate DU3, but have a common place to go on DU3-

So ironically it's a DU3 group for DU2'ers who hate DU3


Plus, you get to post videos and can see edits and have juries and all other kind of coolness



Time for Party, time for some X


Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. All great ideas.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:51 PM
Feb 2012

I would encourage you to maybe do an intermittent study group that looks at the Occupy movement itself & documents, for example, how ideas propagate and cross-pollenate across the world, carried by the Internet & allied technologies.

zipplewrath

(16,688 posts)
7. Cross pollinate
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:07 PM
Feb 2012

I'd strongly consider it a place for communicating the activities of various local efforts, especially with an eye towards successful initiatives spreading around the globe.

I also wonder if we should mimic the various movements communication strategies, obviously optimized for the forum and technology (no need to repeat what everyone says so everyone can hear). Maybe some subject line conventions for announcements, strategies, essays, manifestos.....

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
11. In terms of being a media-clearinghouse...
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:44 PM
Feb 2012

I think that's a great idea.

There are also probably other ways we as a group can act as a facilitation-chamber and support-chamber for actions. I suggest that we query our posters in some ongoing fashion about their talents and skills and what they bring to the table. It might provide some more ideas on what else this group can be used for and what we can achieve, also provide a source talent-base for Occupy and a way for people who cannot physically Occupy space to become involved.

For just some examples of skills we bring: I know that there were at-least two encamped DUers who are also working journalists, I'd assume they'd join this group. I'm in the middle of starting a messaging/marketing firm for NPOs and have a wide range of skills I've gained through that. (I'm also a published writer.) I'm certain that there are people in this group with skills in web-design, coding, javascript. People who know people. On and on.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
18. Taking a page from another organization, we could have a thread to use as a sounding board for art
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:27 AM
Feb 2012

For propagating memetic artwork.

Slogans such as "The 99%" and "Occupy", while effectively crowd-sourced, did not come out of a vacuum... they were the result of clever Twitter and (online) poster-making campaigns... The key would be to figure out if it was just a miniature DUzy thread, though, or whether folks would actually attempt to spread stuff around (political posters submitted) if it was popular on an art thread here. I've seen so much great art and sloganeering that never made it off DU.

Also keeping in mind the fact that Occupy is not about voting but about street change so is not a partisan movement, this will help address the issue of criticism during an election year. Occupy Underground group is for the DU community, not an "organized Democratic group attempting to co-opt the Occupy label" so it's in keeping with the Occupy ethos that we're not targeting specific candidates for criticism when the whole system is broken and focusing on the horse race comes at a price. Folks will hopefully be aware that there's tons of Occupy supporters and supporters of fundamental change that have come thru DU over the past year and hence the site's name

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
12. I LOVE Occupy and support it fully so am glad to see this -- but I have one concern
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:13 PM
Feb 2012

And that is -- if Occupy's news and activities get isolated or shunted to this forum, it will accomplish LESS than if you didn't have a group or forum (whichever this is). Does that make sense? I'd like to make sure EVERYONE on DU sees all the latest about Occupy, especially since there isn't unversal "understanding" or support for it. So, I'd suggest being very careful that we not isolate ourselves or the news about Occupy.

That said, I'm all in!

Kaleko

(4,986 posts)
13. That's exactly my concern as well.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 12:39 AM
Feb 2012

I want all things Occupy to be in people's faces wherever they turn.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
15. Talk on DU is good
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:21 AM
Feb 2012

but in this case it's only a staging area. We've got to keep taking to the streets and bringing it to the MAN.

I'm not kidding. Spring is coming and we've got to get in the wheels of, and disrupt, the machine.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
17. I have some ideas for pinned threads that would allow DUers in each occupy to correspond w/us and ea
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 07:13 AM
Feb 2012

And thereby feed back into physical Occupy through participation.

We can figure out the details once we've given folks a chance to review and edit the hosting guidelines.

In GA fashion, we'll probably do a two-phase process for the hosting guidelines thisweek, if ellison's comments are any guide:

1. Wikipedia-style discussion of the full and redacted drafts of the proposed guidelines. I will probably need to post the OP since I have the formatted copy of the DU2 produced version, and I promised Ellisonz I'd read his most recent draft. Elisonz offered to facilitate the discussion of the hosting guidelines, though, since he's abstaining from serving as a host, and it can be done here (of course)

2. Mic Check poll threads on occu~du2 with links posted here to utilize the poll feature, if people want to do polling consensus. This would also help fill in people who read there on what's goin' on.

(This would all be just to get the hosting guidelines put in place)

Ellisonz suggested we refrain from nominating co-hosts and such until that discussion is taken care of

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
28. I hope my response to you didn't sound sarcastic.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:26 PM
Feb 2012

I agree with posting in GD and not confining OWS to this group. As far as I know, GD hosts don't have a problem with cross-posting to both forums.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
31. Which one?
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:41 PM
Feb 2012

LOL. No, I ended up getting a little lost in that subthread, esp. with the first one edited to nothing.

But no, it didn't sound sarcastic. STRONG (vehement), yes, as if you were expecting me not to agree with you or something? No, not at all. My personal tongue-in-cheek "motto" has always been: I'll join the revolution if you start it and I don't have to get my hands too dirty. IOW, I'm a support type person, but an avid and full-throated supporter still. PEACEFUL and non-violent as well, of course (couldn't be any other way).

So I'm definitely counting on big things from Occupy around the WORLD. And will be eager to support it in the ways I can.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
32. It wasn't directed at you.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 11:14 PM
Feb 2012

I was just thinking that we gotta get out there and protest. I haven't done it in awhile. We gotta take it to the man!

wiggs

(8,040 posts)
19. Here you go
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 10:16 AM
Feb 2012

Great project in Oakland showing the town who Occupy really is (more diverse than media stereotype of violent/homeless/vagrants) and showing that peaceful protest through art can be powerful.

See: http://insideoutoccupyoakland.wordpress.com/

The first posters (including a 25' tall one) go up this weekend.

See video at:

&feature=channel

They really need visibility and support to make this happen, so see: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/insideoutoccupy/inside-out-occupy-oakland supporters have given 1 dollar to 250 dollars. Need more!

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
22. Congratulations! You are now an official backer of Inside Out | Occupy Oakland.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:28 PM
Feb 2012

Congratulations!
You are now an official backer of Inside Out | Occupy Oakland.

Help Celsa Dockstader spread the word by sharing this project with your friends:

GRAB THE WIDGET

wiggs

(8,040 posts)
24. Xlnt! Maybe you'll start a trend of DU support for Oakland! I'll probably also
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:07 PM
Feb 2012

start an OP in General Discussion this weekend for them.

I contributed as well...

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. I'll admit I'm glad to have the safe refuge.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:51 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)

In GD, every Occupy-related thread seemed to turn into a flame-fest when the same half-dozen haters piped in to pooh-pooh the movement.

We've needed a place here where the rule is "If you won't be supportive, STFU!"

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
26. One possible function of the group could be to notify of online public opinion polls
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

and give them the DU treatment. I'm sure once things get going again, all of the media outlets will be posting devise polls on their sites about the movement. 'Thumbing up' supportive comments at the same sites, could also be a collective effort too, to help influence public sentiment.

Perhaps another function would be to monitor and inform other members of where the livestream action is occurring, since somebody at DU is always awake and alert.

On edit add: clearing house for online petitions that might not otherwise be seen.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
29. And also to counter Freeper swarms.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:38 PM
Feb 2012

One of their favorite activities is to target local media forums and fill them with vile Freeper comments. In fact, that was used as a debating point in DU General Discussion. "See? The locals in Portland, Oregon hate the occupiers." (After all, we all know what a bastion of fanatic conservatism Portland, OR is.)

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
30. Exactly.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 04:54 PM
Feb 2012

Here in Canada, a good chunk of our media is consolidated. The CBC is read across the country, so it's polls and comments reach a wide audience. And if the conservative posters get onto the comments page early enough, they steer it's direction and set its tone. The sun media papers, are majors papers in each main city, and full of conservative bots too. Same thing with polls. But in both cases, to you don't have to log in to approve or disapprove their posts.

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