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NYC cops dismantling all signs with PVC tubing. "TARU" members on scene in NYC. (Original Post) Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 OP
PVC makes for a nifty weaponry a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
Yes, the Spiratualution group are getting ready to...meditate or something beneath them. Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #2
So use pool tubes/noodles a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #3
Oh yes, look at the last year's history of brutality and violence and bloodletting involving Occupy Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #4
Fire Walk With Me... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #5
It's called mockery (of your fallacy that Occupy is violent) and juxtaposition regarding who IS. Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #6
I see... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #9
And you are ignoring the simple fact that while you proclaim... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #10
Don't engage with the trolls. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #18
The freaking thought never entered my mind. However, lots of Occupy critics who ignore Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #21
Peaceful protest negates the second amendment? Downwinder Sep 2012 #7
Now that's the interesting question... a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #8
Are you suggesting protestors may be armed while protesting? TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #11
I was questioning whether protesters give up their Downwinder Sep 2012 #12
Cute. Now explain why a "peacful protestor" would want to be armed. Then... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #13
For the same reasons that people take their Downwinder Sep 2012 #14
Taking a piece to a peace rally seems a little odd... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #15
I never expected to lose my vote because Downwinder Sep 2012 #16
Only if you're with the Tea Party. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #19
They always find something to harass people about. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #17
Yep. If they'd take a look at the last year they'd understand. Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #20
Don't let the basta'ds get you down. antiquie Sep 2012 #22
 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
1. PVC makes for a nifty weaponry
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:51 PM
Sep 2012

Being part of the Society for Creative Anachronism, in my youth, I learned just how much damage one can do with PVC.

Peaceful protest doesn't give you the right to arm up.

My wife suggests using pool noodles instead.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
2. Yes, the Spiratualution group are getting ready to...meditate or something beneath them.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:56 PM
Sep 2012

The HORROR. Sometimes a thing is just a thing.

https://www.facebook.com/Spiritualution?ref=ts

Yes, they took Spiritualution's signs/PVC.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
3. So use pool tubes/noodles
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:00 PM
Sep 2012

Look, guy...

Peaceful protest doesn't give you the right to carry around things that might be used as weapons.

Some other options:
-LOTS of t-shirts
-major origami
-signs on pool noodles
-bedsheet signs

It's that, or lose your signs. You DON'T have the right to carry polearms!

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
4. Oh yes, look at the last year's history of brutality and violence and bloodletting involving Occupy
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:04 PM
Sep 2012

and remember that it's all done by police. Sorry, you must have the wrong channel. This is Occupy, not...whatever you're seeing in your head. Take a look:

http://www.ustream.tv/occupysf

Even I got hit over and over with a baton...for having a camera. Sorry, you should fear the police, not us.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
5. Fire Walk With Me...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:11 PM
Sep 2012

That shift you made from "I can't have a PVC pole" to "the police are brutal"... would suggest that you want weapons...

Bad move...

What's wrong with those options I suggested?

From your shifts in logic, I do fear YOU.

I fear large groups of irrational people armed with makeshift polearms...

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
6. It's called mockery (of your fallacy that Occupy is violent) and juxtaposition regarding who IS.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:14 PM
Sep 2012

And your either entirely forgetting it or willfully ignoring it, and that =in spite of it, we are not violent=. You can realize that we are not violent and congratulate it and wonder WTF is wrong with the cops in juxtaposition, or you can go where no man has gone before... Go ahead and imagine whatever you wish; that's the miracle of belief. You can be beholden your entire life to things entirely untrue. Gonna block you now, take care!

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
9. I see...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:31 PM
Sep 2012

you want what you want, when you want it... okay

If you want to have a peaceful protest, as protected under the constitution... then you ought to be able to show that your signs aren't melee weapons...

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
10. And you are ignoring the simple fact that while you proclaim...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:36 PM
Sep 2012

nonviolence, if you have what appears to be a weapon, you will lose that weapon and it may not be in the most peaceful manner. And what is important is not whether it appears to be a weapon in your eye, but in the eyes of those who would take it away.

Changing the subject from having your PVC taken away to police actions in the past does hint that you would like that PVC in case you "need it."

I remember days when protesters carried baseball bats, and I'm sure there are some police who also remember those days. Nobody wants a return to that, and the rule has generally been nothing more lethal than thin cardboard tubing. Very thin.







 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
21. The freaking thought never entered my mind. However, lots of Occupy critics who ignore
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 01:39 AM
Sep 2012

one entire year of non-violence despite horrible, systematic police brutality, are certainly thinking "weapons". Thanks all for telling us what's on =your= minds. Now stop, because it's really ugly, and watch what Occupy are actually doing.

Some days, DU sounds like Fox news. Can you all hear yourselves?

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
8. Now that's the interesting question...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:26 PM
Sep 2012

I've walked to protests with igniters in my rucksack (when a cop asked what they were, I showed him my NAR and Tripoli cards.)
I haven't had any trouble...

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
12. I was questioning whether protesters give up their
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 06:57 PM
Sep 2012

Constitutional Rights by the act of protesting. If so, does that include all Constitutional Rights or only select ones?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
13. Cute. Now explain why a "peacful protestor" would want to be armed. Then...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

continue down that bumpy road of "rights" that have been argued for hundreds of years, noting particularly that there are no "rights" that are absolute.






Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
14. For the same reasons that people take their
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 08:06 PM
Sep 2012

CCW to a grocery store or elsewhere.

As far as rights are concerned, I just want to know which ones I am giving up by protesting. Might my vote be suppressed because I protested?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
15. Taking a piece to a peace rally seems a little odd...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:20 PM
Sep 2012

but unless busted for a felony I doubt you'd lose your vote.

Losing your mind, though, is another question entirely.



Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
16. I never expected to lose my vote because
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:44 PM
Sep 2012

I quit driving. But now that is a possibility. Poor planing, I didn't locate within walking distance of a DPS office.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. Only if you're with the Tea Party.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:11 AM
Sep 2012

Then you can open-carry assault rifles.

Remember, IOKIYAR.

If you're a teabagger, you can go to a Democratic town-hall, you can heckle to your heart's content, shout down a member of Congress, with words bordering on threats of violence, and the police will stand there, smile and wax poetic about the First Amendment.

Go to a Republican event as an Occupier and try the same thing, and twenty cops taser you, pepper-spray you, beat the shit out of you as the teabaggers cheer and chant "USA! USA! USA!", and then they give you a year-long jail sentence for "resisting arrest."

Remember, the vast majority of cops are Republicans. They became police officers because they're authoritarians. They think it's funny to beat the shit out of people, and they think the law is something they can use as a weapon against people they don't like. They don't think the law applies to them.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
17. They always find something to harass people about.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:28 PM
Sep 2012

Sounds like a typical excessive policing, over reaction.

They ought to just let the thing happen already.
 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
20. Yep. If they'd take a look at the last year they'd understand.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 12:46 AM
Sep 2012

Then again, they -have- been looking at us an entire year, and still don't get it.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
22. Don't let the basta'ds get you down.
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:39 AM
Sep 2012

If we let those escapees from Politics run things, we will have to go back to fighting the Vietnam War.

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