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Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 12:29 AM Dec 2013

This is what happens when you outlaw peaceful protest

The banning of peaceful protest from Egypt to Spain is increasingly leaving citizens with no other way to express their opposition but through violence.
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Last night’s clashes in Madrid are only the latest in a long line of actions and reactions, uprisings and crackdowns, rebellions and repressions. All around the world, a nefarious process is afoot. In many of the countries that experienced dramatic social mobilizations from 2011 onward, terrified elites are now drawing up laws banning the type of street demonstrations that kick-started the Age of the Protester, desperately trying to institutionalize their Thermidorian counter-revolution now that the movements appear to be on the retreat. But everywhere these type of anti-protest legislations are being passed, the attempted closure is only drawing people back into the streets.

In Egypt, when the revolutionary movement suddenly resurfaced last month, the military-controlled government moved swiftly to implement a new law that would effectively ban all unauthorized gatherings of over 10 people. The day after the law was passed activists took to the streets of Cairo to denounce it and the regime responded by attacking and arresting the protesters, subjecting them to torture and sexual assault before dumping a number of them in the desert. Still, activists in Cairo warned that “we will not protest at the whim and convenience of a counter-revolutionary regime,” declaring that “the January 25 Revolution has returned to the streets.”

Apart from Egypt and Spain, similar anti-protest laws have been drafted up elsewhere as well. During the student uprising in Québec last year, politicians tried to deal with the outburst of popular indignation by pushing through emergency legislation banning the demonstrations. In Japan, the government is trying to do the same following the massive anti-nuclear demos after the 2011 Fukushima disaster. And wherever protest has not yet been made illegal by law, police forces are trying to do everything within their power to treat it as such — just take a look at the way cops treat students in the UK, or the coordinated fashion in which the federal government cracked down on the Occupy movement in the US.

The worldwide repression of popular protest should be seen as part of a general evolution in the nature of the capitalist state: away from a modicum of democratic accountability under the Keynesian social welfare state towards an ever more authoritarian neoliberal form. In this respect, the protest bans are indicative of a contradictory rearrangement of power relations. On the one hand, the movements have clearly left an impression: apparently the massive street demonstrations of recent years have terrified governments so much that they now consider such draconian measures necessary to maintain their grip on power. This reveals something about the ideological fragility of the dominant order, whose legitimacy was shaken to its very core by the uprisings of 2011-’13.
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This is what happens when you outlaw peaceful protest (Original Post) Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 OP
When they ban peaceful protest, blue14u Dec 2013 #1
It is. The next round of anticorporate protests here Warpy Dec 2013 #2
Peaceful Protest has been banned in the USA, bvar22 Dec 2013 #9
Be Careful StevePaulson Dec 2013 #3
Roarmag is an excellent source for the underreported uprisings taking place all over BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #4
is Egypt really a "capitalist" state? hfojvt Dec 2013 #5
Last time I checked Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #7
no, they were a 3rd world dictatorship under Mubarek hfojvt Dec 2013 #10
Yes, it is an ally of Western Corporate Imperial states. They tried to change that, but sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2013 #6
I suspect that the corporate and authoritarian over-reach Joe Shlabotnik Dec 2013 #8
But we're awake this time. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #11

blue14u

(575 posts)
1. When they ban peaceful protest,
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:54 AM
Dec 2013

what they create is only one other option...

To protest not peacefully.

I don't promote or encourage civil unrest, but I am not the only one in the game either!

I don't get to choose what other people decide to do.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
2. It is. The next round of anticorporate protests here
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:17 AM
Dec 2013

aren't going to be nearly as polite as OWS was. There's no point since the PTB are going to send riot police in to gas and poison and break heads.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
9. Peaceful Protest has been banned in the USA,
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:54 AM
Dec 2013

though most of the citizens here haven't realized it yet.

Peaceful Protest in the USA died when 1st Amendment Zones were implemented by the agents of our Government.
NOW, we are ALLOWED to protest only at the pleasure of our government.
If we offend the government with our Peaceful Protests,
or IF the government suspect that a Peaceful Protest is becoming effective,
then the protests are violently crushed by agents of our government.


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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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----John F. Kennedy

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StevePaulson

(174 posts)
3. Be Careful
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:59 AM
Dec 2013

Some corporation will have you f-ing killed. Now sit down, shut up, and let the corporations continue their rape of your family, and our planet. The 1% need "returns" now don't you know.

Oh by the way they are already killing us. You just don't hear about the thousands who die ever year because they can't see a doctor, or use a lawyer.

It is no longer a class war. The war is over. It is now genocide, and every day it is getting worse.

Are you ready to sacrifice your family so some billionaire can make an extra billion?

Of course you are.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
4. Roarmag is an excellent source for the underreported uprisings taking place all over
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:13 AM
Dec 2013

the globe. Thanks for posting!

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
5. is Egypt really a "capitalist" state?
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:41 AM
Dec 2013

And some of the protestors are longing for a more theocratic state, aren't they?

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
7. Last time I checked
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 04:24 AM
Dec 2013

it was still a capitalist state. Regardless of whichever political faction protesters are clamoring about, the point is that new boss is the same as the old boss.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. no, they were a 3rd world dictatorship under Mubarek
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 12:53 PM
Dec 2013

and they remain a 3rd world dictatorship.

A new boss creating a 3rd world theocracy does not seem like a huge step up to me.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Yes, it is an ally of Western Corporate Imperial states. They tried to change that, but
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jan 2014

their revolution was hi-jacked by the Western trained and supported Military. I think Egypt is still safe for Predatory Capitalism, for now.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
6. K&R
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:47 AM
Dec 2013
''The worldwide repression of popular protest should be seen as part of a general evolution in the nature of the capitalist state:''

Actually, I see the repression attempts as the exact opposite -- as a devolution. TPTB see the handwriting on the wall. The gig is up. The money game was a LIE from the jump, and the truth of that is now so obvious that they're trying to cast it as the norm. They tell us that it's normal to give banks money when they lose their gambling bets. And that's its even more okay to make ''we the people'' (and their great-great-grandchildren) pay for it. They're the Masters of the Universe, remember?

''Evolution'' discards or modifies what no longer serves, but capitalism tries to maintain stasis since that is what is to their advantage. That is why, for example, no advances in non-polluting energy has been allowed to see the light of day. Because the TPTB are entrenched into this existing system of fossil hell-on-earth and seek to keep us entrench along with them. Even if it kills us.

And as with all thing in nature, the domination by a single species is the usually death-knell of all species within that environment eventually. These mastodons of our robber baron past have become a societal cancer that is metastasizing and threatens to kill everyone close to it.

What we're seeing NOW is their reaction to the obvious signs all over the world that the system is coming apart. And we know it. They have been gilding their lilies with bonuses, they have been securing their possessions in underground vaults and bunkers, and they have been hiring mercenaries and thugs to oversee us. They are scared and their fears are symbolized in these repressive acts they've been enacting in the hopes that they can somehow staunch the flow in which we are all going. It won't.

The minorities and the poor of this country have long-felt the heels and the backhands of the cops, now Middle-America is feeling it and its shocking to behold. And it will only get worse unless we act to stop it. That's why the cops are now beating us and tasering us with impunity. To keep us in-line. To keep us afraid. But the TRUTH is, they are the ones who are afraid. We out number them hugely. They are but a speck. All it takes to change everything overnight is for us to collectively say:
[font size=10] IT'S OVER![/font]

- And they know this too.



''The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves.''

~Dresden James

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
8. I suspect that the corporate and authoritarian over-reach
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 05:29 AM
Dec 2013

that we are seeing now is actually calculated. The PTB know that if we give them an inch through our complacency, they can seize a mile, yet also know full well that at some point they will have to concede something back, just not as much as they stole. Analogous would be how lately banks are being fined by regulators, but the fines don't restitute the original amount swindled.

FDR saved the middle class and the poor, but he also saved the Rich from the middle class and the poor. Unfortunately their penance was only as bad as having to eat some peas, despite the complicity with Fascism at home, and in Europe.

The mad dash to vacuum up global property/resource rights while diminishing human rights increases the elites future bargaining power with future FDRs. If negotiations fail, then they can flee to their newly emerged markets, and let the former 1st world twist in the wind, or even declare war on it to repay defaulted debt (the same debt that they orchestrated).



 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. But we're awake this time.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

It's easy to cow anyone who is too afraid to open their eyes. It's another thing when their eyes are looking back at you.

- 7,000,000,000 pairs of eyes.......

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