incomplete, but by itself gave me a "holy fuck" moment.

This goes back to Iran Contra....

since Operation Paperclip. Amazing how many things do make sense when your perspective/knowledge is broadened. And once awake, you can never get back to sleep.

from what I am gathering, they pardoned certain SS members and used them to help develop our special forces units.

This is disheartening because it shows such a complete abandonment of any kind of morality at the highest levels.

I was so sickened when I first read about it, back in the late 1970's. I devoured every book I could find on Op Paperclip, MK-Ultra, etc., etc.

What a freaking nightmare, when you start digging. Always smoke and mirrors.

Is the story of George Weisz and Igor Orlov.

Weisz was a Jew working for the C.I.A.. He worked in Hungary on the surface as a Nazi hunter, but his real job was to find high value Nazis in hiding and bring them to the U.S. or South America. He operated by turning the low level Nazis over to the Russian authorities. When he went after the high value ones, they were so afraid they would go along with him.

Igor Orlov used the same tactics on Russians who defected and were fighting for the Nazis in Ukraine. He knew the identities of low level NKVD agents in the ranks of the Russian defectors. He would help the germans "uncover" them, thus bolstering his credentials as loyal to the german cause of defeating the soviets. Orlov assisted in the brutal interrogations and executions of members of his own organization (NKVD) to bolster his cover.

In a supreme stroke of irony, Weisz was turned into a double agent by Orlov, who posed as a Russian Nazi hunter.

I'm incredibly lucky. The more I read about Orlov the more excited I get about this little pistol I bought recently from my friend. Came with the original 1966 bill of sale from an Alexandria gun shop with "Igor Gregory Orlov" listed as the buyer with his home address. I nearly fell over when I googled him. Bill of sale has his signature from when he sold the pistol. Unbelievable!!

Is it possible to post pictures? Sorry. I'm new.

but with the atmosphere on D.U., I would recommend you create a discussionist account and go post it there.
What you have is even cooler than owning James Bond's Walther PPK.
Orlov was real.

such as the Cliven Bundy fiasco, turn out to be manipulations of people like the Kochs. They could give a fuck less about "causes", the only "cause" they really have is wealth for themselves.

And, as the story of the spy agencies both foreign and domestic proves, what serves their wealth best is the gradual but constant movement of this country to the right.

When the people are dissatisfied, the slide to the right slows down a little, but never stops. When they can deceive most of the American public as with the Iraq war, the move to the right is in leaps and bounds.

But, since Reagan, (Poppy Bush, in reality) the slide to the right has not stopped for a moment.

It is to the effect that when you don't have a democracy, you still can discuss things in depth, but the powers that be decide what those things are, and the items we should discuss are never mentioned.

In watching Talking Heads shows back in 2009, Single Payer Universal HC was mentioned not once! Why? Ads for Big Pharma would be pulled from a TV or radio station if there was ever serious discussion of the only true way to run health care.

Back in Jan 1994, there was a huge interest by TV and radio in the situation in Chiappas Mexico. Some TV stations even had reporters going down to Mexico and talking to the leaders of that mini-revolution. But then, Citibank got the matter shoved aside, so that the Nancy Kerrigan/Tanya Harding skating debacle was all we saw on TV.

On edit, here is the quote: [h2][font color=red] "The Smart Way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."[/h2][/font color=red]

Noam Chomsky

Very smart man who knows what time it is. Thanks for the info!