Because no one here objects to consensual sexual acts, that contingent for whom it is no fun can't keep trolling about "prudery" and "puritans" without looking stupid. Also, it is clear that those who have been called "prudes" are actually arguing against rape and enslavement, which normal people find unacceptable.

So the new strategy is to try and blur the semantic lines between sex and rape, including using such phrases as "rape play." They jumble up concepts like "rape" and "play" until someone says something against an act of rape or enslavement, at which they pounce and say, "Aha! You are against rape play! You ARE a prude and a puritan!!@22"

All of which is their own problem. It's very sad, actually.

Also, the discussion of Rape Porn has been overlapped into all this and further muddies the waters.

safe haven before someone did the "prude pointing" thing.

I wish those "prude-pointers" would get some help with reading comprehension or something.

dissension and ill will on this website regarding these and other various subjects along this line.

Wish there was a better term for it.

I know women-- AND men, fantasize about this, but I think it's more a "it's totally not my fault I'm getting laid" sexual release. Or a complete submission.

Whatever it is-- it's not rape. Did someone bring up that tired stat about rape fantasies again? Interview men. Women aren't the only ones with this particular fantasy.

DUer on ignore you will not see it. This was my reply in that thread in GD with a little modification and trigger warnings.

In there you will see that the word ravishment is bandied about as more PC term for the role playing phenomenon.

It was, in my opinion flame bait and will not end well.

And also IMO

Motives of original OP notwithstanding.

Take a peak

this interacts into society. thanks, ism.

Came back and it was locked.

posting real info (even though tiring and not really "your" job) can be helpful to lurking readers who don't get involved in the "discussion" that happens.

thanks for taking the time to post and for all of the women here who continue to deal with the bullshit.

*sigh*

yeah, Teacher is not really my role in life but, sometimes I just can't take the *bullshit* anymore.

from willful ignorance to accept the commonly held definitions. There are 2 different types of rape porn. One some people have no problem with, the other is reprehensible. The problem is, when either type is posted on the internet there is no real way to differentiate between the 2. The people who are into rape porn have to accept the fact that some of what they have viewed and will view are depictions of real rape or resort to redefining rape and porn to sooth their conscience. I find the later to be the preferred method. I guess it beats having to do some self reflection when you know the end result would not be that flattering.

It sucks when reality creeps into their well protected world, but too fucking bad. You can't say a jelly donut isn't really a donut because it has jelly in the middle where a hole should be. It is a donut, just a different type.

Calling a consensual sexual act rape play/fantasies is an attempt to diminish rape and blurs the lines. I am reminded of the questions like "is it really rape when the woman is passed out and I am also drunk" It is done often enough, I sometimes wonder if that is the intent. They will do and say anything to justify their behavior. Then calling you a prude or whatever if you point out the facts that they have to selectively ignore to continue their self-deception.

and while Yes There is Overlap and room for discussion about the similarities and differences it is another Subject on its own merit.

I have considered doing a separate thread on Rape Porn depending on how this thread evolves.

Thank you for the comments.

OP that started the rape "play" thread also has a rape porn thread. I think the objective is to get everyone to agree that since rape "play" is agreed on as acceptable, by default rape porn is ok. They refuse to acknowledge that rape porn includes real rapes and has real victims. IE Porn depicting actual rapes is not porn, it is an illegal act.

Pretty much like saying a jelly donut isn't really a donut because there is no hole in the middle.
They are locked out of one thread and has abandoned the other, so I suspect soon enough Op will start a new one.

Happening with this poster. And what this poster is saying over at Discussionist is uncalled for.

If you go to "rape porn" websites, they're very ugly. I suspect most of men and women with such fantasies aren't into it.

And I get real tired of people pretending men don't have theses type of fantasies.

I have a whole theory behind them, having to do with sexual shame, and a need to someone else to take control to bypass shame, but actual more a group of thoughts than a theory.