History of Feminism
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I thought this was really interesting. I do think old-school feminism was 100% about white women, and many of them fought "The Man" while their children were watched and their houses were cleaned by women of color working for less than a living wage and with no sick or vacation time. And that kind of historical reality doesn't just disappear. And I think about how I would feel if a group made up primarily of men talked about class issues and fighting them in a way that helped mainly men but didn't really help women. There are probably examples of that but I can't think of any at this time in the morning.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/24/feminisms_ugly_internal_clash_why_its_future_is_not_up_to_white_women
As Michelle Goldbergs piece made clear, Internet feminism is a place where young women of color, black women in particular, hold an inordinate amount of power and influence. This makes many, many white women deeply uncomfortable. Shulevitz, it seems, is one of them. Thus Shulevitz makes clearly problematic claims that seem self-aware, but are ultimately not. She writes:
Would the exclusion of mostly minority home health care workers and others at the low end of the pay scale from paid-sick-leave legislation be grotesque, unjust? Absolutely. Should we take the legislation if we can get it? Absolutely. We build from there.
Those are the kinds of pronouncements that middle-class white women can make definitively without ever thinking twice. But I come from a community where many black women, including some of my female family members, eventually end up as home healthcare aides precisely because job opportunities are limited. They are workers who are most vulnerable to the system and most often in need of sick leave because of the kind of strenuous labor involved in lifting, washing, moving and caring for another person.
When I read what comes off as a kind of self-assured smugness, I think to myself, The future of feminism can not be left to the hands of white women. And while I hope that more white feminists have the kinds of expansive knowledge of black women both historically and in the present that Rebecca Traister takes great care to present in her responses, white privilege allows most white women not to have to do this kind of work, not to have to cultivate this kind of empathy for women who are not white.
ismnotwasm
(42,507 posts)The idea that the perceptions of experiences where shared simply because of gender, without taking race into consideration.
No. The future of feminism is definitely NOT in the hands of white women. Quite the contrary I think
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)feminism,regardless of how some wealthy white woman in New York feels about it.
MuseRider
(34,424 posts)In my experience there was never a divide seen between the races, mainly because where I live there is or was not a lot of diversity. That is changing thank goodness and we will all be the better for it.
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brer cat
(26,729 posts)that white women seek equality while black feminists seek justice. As an older white woman, I certainly agree that back in "my day" equality was the issue. I very much appreciate that the voices I hear on the internet, many of them women of color, have led me to understand that I cannot have the former without the latter, and my emphasis has changed as a consequence.
She concludes: "...it also means that when I look to a vision of the world I want to see, I look to young women of color, who meld race, gender and queer politics into an expansive, inclusive,and just vision of the world." Amen, sister, amen!
Nice article, gollygee. Thanks for posting.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)between equality and justice, that is.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)men discussing womens issues.
what i have learned over the years, is i will address it the same as i do that black community and the gay community.
i will stand with, and lend voice.... but it is their voice i listen to and allow self to be taught.
i certainly see the issue. and i need to listen.
i am not uncomfortable with learning.
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Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and nothing ever again here he disrupted poorly.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)are having way too much fun.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)I wonder why?
I just can't imagine why feminists would be upset that other people were being feminists too.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)the last word on what "feminism" means.
To be brutally honest, I think it's somewhat similar to why right-wingers are so hostile to what they would call "identity politics" - black liberation, gay liberation, etc.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)but I'll take your word for it.