I'd be disappointed and surprised if the people alerting are active members of this group.

And jurors, you know, can be anyone who paid $5 to be a member for a year.

Not a very high threshold for service, IMHO.

You'll still be around DU, I hope!

I will be on DU3, not as often but,

I will no longer participate in HoF.

It seems to be a magnet for some .... and I am tired of being a sacrificial lamb.

I am tired of being called names in Juror's comments and told that I need to be tomb stoned.

Of course, I have no idea who alerts or who juries and leaves these comments.

It is just too silly.

I'll pm you with my facebook name...

DU has great folks for sure but man, does it ever have its cavemen...the hell with them...

I have too much going on in real life to deal with all this, too.

I will contact you and let you know when I am ready to participate again.

And, of course I will see you all elsewhere on DU3 and, hopefully Facebook.

Hate that this group has gotten so targeted and vilified. So many good ones just sick of the shit, which I totally get, but really hate seeing the asshats win. Boo, hiss.

Take care, don't be a stranger.

as you can see below I had another post go to jury in this thread. Thankfully, it was voted to leave and comments make me wonder if the juries are beginning to realize what is happening. Interesting, all of this. Thanks for the advice/comment freshwest. It makes sense what you say in some ways.

Sorry to hear of your decision, however glad that you are not leaving entirely. You were being alert stalked, that was obvious. Yes please PM me the Alert Message and Juror Comments.

I am not active on FB, only set up an account 2 years ago during a family crisis, sadly we have another one to get through.

I wish you the best and hope to see you around DU3.

You were missed.

There are clearly a group of people who are abusing the alert system to chase feminists off this site, and unfortunately it is working. The jury system is turning this site more and more right-wing as the trolls have learned to exploit the system.

you were referring to--I was NOT J#4--and I thought that one was a jury-error, but this one takes the cake.

(Actually, it was seeing hides like these that convinced me to revert my jury setting back to 'willing' - I'd given up for a while, but I was seeing so many WTF outcomes that I thought I'd wade in again...)

I for one don't let it get me down. I'm fine with fighting fire with fire and I will, period the end.

We'll keep going, but I know that their cause is lost anyway. The future has a way of taking over and those who cannot accept it are left in the dust.

Too bad for them....

Really strange, when I first joined DU, I thought it was so radical. Now, not so much.

positions. That's not just my opinion, it is quite factually correct. If there were just one woman admin here, I think the results would be much better. This is not a slam against anyone. It is just a fact that has been borne out in studies of corporate earnings as more women are put in important levels of organizational governance.

of us are deemed not worthy of commenting/jurying/hosting/participating.

I just saw that. Some asshole is definitely alert-stalking you. PM the hide notice and jury results to me.

You just have to laugh at the insecure chicken shit that alerted and the ones who vote to hide obvious vendetta alerts.

We need to stick together.

~ Lmsp 🙅

go to jury but, it was voted to leave .... and I got an apology from the original juror#4 (whoever it is ... I think they are juror #6 below)

My last four hides have been just

and obviously Hosts are above reproach. They are better DUers than I am ... doncha know.

Some of us are Just More Equal Than Others.

Their opinions.verdicts.comments carry more weight.

Tired of it all, seabeyond.

I am done.

These Jurors can say the shittiest things behind their anonymity and we have No Recourse Available.

Well, FOUR juries of my peers have determined that they do not care for my posts in HoF.

I got the message Loud and Clear.

Done. here.

See you In The Real World.

This is bullshit. I am so sorry, TA.

The Admins know who is on the jury and have records of their posts, alerts and jury comments. If they are abusive or bigoted, it will be obvious who is making that record for themselves.

There is a principle involved here that I don't have the time to articulate about now. Thanks and you are not the first to tell me.

Gotta run now. Real Life calls.

And that stinks. I remember when election integrity activists were stalked, mocked, and pilloried. In fact, I went AFK for a good long while.

In my opinion, you are being abused by a load of cowardly, wimpy MRA assholes. I appreciate your efforts here and hope to see you online elsewhere.

PM me if you would like to connect on FB.-
All the best to you and yours.

I'm lost and I'm pissed.

Unpopular ones, or uncomfortable ones, you get alerted on. I have 2 hides in my ten years of DU, both in here. One I did on purpose, the other was something from a feminist blog I had posted twice before on DU2. I took a hiatus from DU--prior to that I posted in the feminist group. When I returned, I no longer reconized it.

I don't involve myself too much in GD, this is the primary and sometimes the only place I post at--although I am involved in outside activism, and my activity here is restricted. As far as Facebook, I belong to more than one private group on FB and I enjoy them very much.

I'm sure there are lots of feminist groups--I beling also to my local Vday group-- it all depends on what you want.

I fully understand where you're coming from. It's obvious this group is being targeted and it appears that absolutely nothing will be done about it. If women can't come even to HoF without being abused, what's the damned point?

Further, I really don't want to hear any more denials from certain quarters that both this group and certain posters here aren't being stalked and alerted on with the intention of driving them from DU. That's just bullshit.

And to those of you playing this game, you're nothing but a bunch of cowards, quivering at your keyboards with your fingers poised over the alert button because truth be told, these women scare the short pants off you. Well go right ahead and alert on this one, brave troopers. I really don't give a damn.

They and their friends never post in these threads so their chances are pretty good for being called to jury these posts.

Safe Space. No it is not. It is more like fishing in a small pond that the owner just stocked.

Have to agree with every word you've said.

Fucking dinosaurs.

I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't such creepy asswipes

Failed alert and it looks like the previous juror 4 is apologizing to you (the reason I am posting this), I am juror 7. Don't go.

fucking troglodytes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=52033

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a safe haven to discuss feminist issues. It is not a safe haven to have meta threads and call fellow DUers "fucking troglodytes".

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:23 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I was the Juror # 4 she was angry about. And she should be. I didn't know who she was, I was just mad at the host call out and made my comment based solely on that. My sincere apology.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nope, sick of the alert stalking.

and how perfect to put on this alert, and have another bring the alert for us to see.

lol

i love it

i love the whole universal, karma dynamic stuff. lol

thanks sea.

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Is one condition preferable to the other?


And the apology was cool-- haven't seen that before

implemented, i have gone from a steady and consistent 4 hide record, to ONLY three. i have a bit of a cushion, for the first time since january, when all this started. i am about to hit having only TWO hides, gasp.... can i be either host or mirt with two?

who knows. but, by gosh, .... if i have no hides? i am jumping on all the lists in privilege, damn straight. lol

who knows what goes and what does not.

what i do know, is it is the women that speak out, that are effected most. even upside our trollls, that administration clearly tell us are trolls. some of no hides, .... lol, while we women are LITERALLY, the baddest of the bad.

says fuckin something, there. right?

but apparently you can still MIRT with 4 and even get reinstated to MIRT after a time-out with 5. I have seen it. Although I was encouraged once when an obvious troll who seems immune from being banned got skipped over.

I tend to go overboard with trying to see all sides of things and I will sometimes see the point of hides that are unfair, but still happen. I think overall the system actually DOES work. It is slow and often inefficient, sometimes there are mistakes. However the alerts and hides for vocal women and in particular a few of you (ahem) in this group are so blatant and such obvious stalking I just don't know how admins can't see it.

too.

lol. i missed it last time.

good. yea.

it has been really nice seeing your name around, recently.

hoping all is well.

almost always chosen in order of posting (with that one exception I mentioned from last spring)

here is the announcement for the upcoming term - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10134294

They have chosen to ignore the issue and instead directly insult and try to shame DU's most outspoken feminists. I still can't believe the shit they threw at bostonbean for daring to expose the dark side of their dirty little cash cow discussionist. I almost take the name of that site to literally mean discussion for the "ists", you know... misogynists, sexists, racists... etc.

at least I called them people.

interpreting the data wrong) how small is the jury pool now and how often I am getting alerted in this group. wow.

Maybe I am reading too much into all this but, I find it odd.

and thank you Juror #4 ... whoever you are

how sad is it that some pitiful child has to alert stalk TA and the HoF to whine about possible meta discussion? poor widdle thang

unsubscribe from this group. Since they won't do it. I will be the grown-up and unsubscribe.

Three times in this one thread alone. This is bordering on petulant, retaliation type tactics.

And this, stuck way back in a supposedly safe group.

The Alerter(s) have to subscribe just to see when a new OP is made.

Which is extremely creepy. And sometimes it's the creepiest ones that whine about the word creep.

If things weren't so serious these days with feminist constantly being threatened with violence, (because we are winning-- even if it seems like two steps forward and three back sometimes) it would almost be funny.

Our stalkers are part of that mindset, and that's the biggest travesty I think

And I look forward to when you feel comfortable to return. The alert stalking on this forum has become so badly out of control, that is saddens me a great deal. Too many voices shut down, and the mods do nothing about it.

I also now visit this forum far less, and DU as a whole.

The ability of a few bad people to silence many good people should be stopped.

And I am goddamn sick and tired of the whiny little pricks around here who can dish it out but can't take it.

Come on. That doesn't sound like you.

I have already been kicked off once, thanks to this system.

I am not the martyr seabeyond is.

i am down to two hides. i might be able to do the next round of mirt. yippy.

it sounds like a headache to me and elitist. Some act like they are All That because they are Hosts or MIRt.

not ALL by any means but, SOME and there is no recourse with this system to hold them accountable for their actions.

and yeah, I get it. yippy. woot.

It is a dad-gum JOB ... not some personality/popularity contest.

It is NOT to be lorded over the rest of DUers.

It is Not a Feather in One's Cap.

It is god damn HARD WORK if one does it right.

Even if I ever get down my hides to be "good enough" for Hosts or MIRt, I am NOT interested.

I have to work for a living. I have no desire to come here and WORK for free. Nope. Not me. Not interested.

Kudos to the ones that are willing and take the responsibility seriously.

and those that do not, .... have no hold.

and talk about the ridiculousness that we are the worst of the worst. and let others conclude. with realization, comes less hide and recognition that there is an effort to silence.

fuck that noise. fuck the dumb. just fuck it.

Juror #4 has been a meme on here from almost the beginning.

a call out?

really?

a fucking Elton John song dedication.

and it was HIDDEN.

are these people fucking KIDDING ME ???

Juror #4 who was also Juror #6 on post that was voted to Leave has contacted me via PM and apologized for their part in all this.

Offered to allow me to send on that PM to the admin if I wanted to report the Alerts and Verdicts.

I really don't see, given the past history of response from Admin, that it is worth my time or the admin's trouble.

Maybe, I am wrong.

that extended out the way he/she did. that is cool. and there are so many of these juror 4/6 i have found thru my own experience of repetitive kick offs. so i see and know and hear from too many, to easily dismiss as one.

it has been interesting since january.

but. i am very political, too. and into current affairs. always have been. that is why i came to du. that is why i have not walked. and still... du helps to keep me the most informed, in a style/manner, discussion board, i enjoy the most.

that is what makes du worthwhile.

On Sat Oct 25, 2014, 07:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

that hurt me most of all, sea. My OP was hidden and shut down.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=52141

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Another profanity laced attack on the jurors. She took her chances and they did their jobs. They don't deserve this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 25, 2014, 07:14 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Calling out a juror in the thread was not the proper way to deal with their frustration. While the jury system doesn't always work, it's what we all have to abide by in this community.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Meta-whining. Get rid of it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alert stalking. leave it alone and alerter.....shame on you
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An obvious victim of alert stalking. I'd like to see a way to TS overzealous alerters. We're losing great DUers to this kind of mob action. And I can't believe there are any jurors out there being hurt by these remarks. This alert is just another swing at the piñata...
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

that fuck would get us a hide. well, some of us. hence, the use of fug now.

people seem to be more happy with the fug. i have yet to have a post hidden for fug.

golly gee

with alert stalking.

That is a familiar tone/vibe.

I would like to thank all the Jurors for their service.

I hope #3 will show me the proper way to deal with this situation. I am open to suggestions.

and may I suggest (again with the #4) they please cut me a slice of Gouda to go with my Whine. Thanks.

There is no way the Jury system can be set to target people, this being done as they keepin hawking their Discussiont racist right wing site on me.

openly to be judged by anonymous jurors. Hiding behind a number they see fit to chastise and berate me and I have no recourse to legitimately take issue. I have been alerted on so many times in this group it should embarrass someone and I'll be damned if I am the one.

I am Meta.

yeah. right.

Thanks for the comment, DonCoquixote.

or am I counting wrong.

jeebus, be more obvious?

It would be funny if it weren't so sad