History of Feminism
Related: About this forumCamille Paglia thinks rape is intrinsic to men’s nature and a lot of men are like, “This is awesome"
(A Salon piece from September)
So I am having a hard time engaging with this as a serious idea, so instead lets casually discuss it as something that is very weird. And then lets talk about the positive response to the piece from men who are usually like #NotAllMen any time a woman tries to write about violence. And then lets all take a nap or maybe watch a movie.
Paglia does not think rape culture is real, but she thinks evil is very super-real. Apparently evil is a more useful lens through which we can view male violence than existing critiques of institutional and cultural norms that condone violence against women.
According to Paglia, The sexual stalker, who is often an alienated loser consumed with his own failures, is motivated by an atavistic hunting reflex. He is called a predator precisely because he turns his victims into prey.
After establishing that she thinks that rape is intrinsic to mens nature, a nature that cant be changed, Paglia advises women to try to understand evil and then stop wearing short skirts because those short skirts activate mens intrinsic primitive violence boners or something. [Women] assume that bared flesh and sexy clothes are just a fashion statement containing no messages that might be misread and twisted by a psychotic, according to Paglia. They do not understand the fragility of civilization and the constant nearness of savage nature.
http://www.salon.com/2014/09/30/camille_paglia_thinks_rape_is_intrinsic_to_mens_nature_and_a_lot_of_men_are_like_this_is_awesome/
shenmue
(38,538 posts)I read her stupid book in high school. It made no sense.
ismnotwasm
(42,501 posts)She has a scientific vocabulary, which is usually unsupported by actual science.
dhill926
(16,953 posts)nothing but jargon...
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She is, in short, an idiot.
A strange one.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that actively derail/dismiss feminists voice on du. the ironic, they would be the first to yell.... not ALL men.
yet. that is what this woman is saying. it is all men.
which is the ultimate insult to each and every man.
as we defend men here and now.
and dismisses the obvious that so many men are not and never were violent, and even more men do not rape.
but, meh....
anything that fits the agenda of dismissing/derailing feminists voice.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I can not defend all men. I take it on a case by case basis.
ismnotwasm
(42,501 posts)Has issues, to put it as gently as possible, although I'm not sure why I should.
deafskeptic
(463 posts)mercuryblues
(15,378 posts)is another I got mine, so fuck you. Close the door so no one can come through after me and expose the lies I live by.
eridani
(51,907 posts)In addition to the intrinsic cultural superiority Ms. Paglia attributes to herself from having grown up watching television (Its Howdy-Doody Time obviously made us all smarter), she also considers her own taste in music to be of enormous significance. From the moment the feminist movement was born, it descended into dogma, she told an interviewer for New York magazine. They stifled any kind of debate, any kind of dissent. Okay, its Yale, its New Haven in 69, I am a rock fanatic, okay . So I was talking about taste to these female rock musicians, and I said the Rolling Stones were the greatest rock band, and that just set them off. They said, `The Rolling Stones are sexist, and its bad music because its sexist. I said: `Wait a minute. You cant make a judgments about art on the basis of whether it fits into some dogma. And now theyre yelling, screaming, saying that nothing that demeans women can be art.
You see, right from the start it was impossible for me to be taken into the feminist movement, okay? The only art they will permit is art that gives a positive image of women. I said, `Thats like the Soviet Union; that is the demagogic, propagandistic view of art.
Well, by George, as a First Amendment absolutist, youll find me willing to spring to the defense of Camille Paglias right to be a feminist Rolling Stones fan any hour, day or night. Come to think of it, who the hell was the Stalin who wouldnt let her do that? I went back and researched the 69 politburo, and all I could find was Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, and Gloria Steinem, none of whom ever seems to have come out against rock music.
I have myself quite cheerfully been both a country-music fan and a feminist for years if Camille Paglia is the cosmos, so am I. When some fellow feminist doesnt like my music (How could you not like You are just another sticky wheel on the grocery cart of life?), I have always felt free to say, in my politically correct feminist fashion, Fuck off.
ismnotwasm
(42,501 posts)Some people you never get over missing and Molly Ivins is one of those people