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ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts) Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:06 PM Jan 2015

Men’s Rightsers offer innovative new theory about rape and feminism.

Men’s Rightsers offer innovative new theory about rape and feminism. And by “innovative” I mean Horrifying

Paul Elam: “Dworkin’s problem wasn’t that she was raped. Her problem, and I mean all along, was that she wasn’t.”

There’s a post on the AgainstMensRights subreddit today highlighting a comment from a Men’s Rights Redditor that offers some, well, interesting theories about why feminists are “obsessed” with rape and abortion, even though he thinks they are very ugly.

Actually, in his mind, it’s because they are very ugly, and secretly wish someone would be attracted enough to them to rape them.

Sasha_ 3 points 1 day ago I can't help noticing that many of these women protesting so vehemently about rape seem to be...well I don't really know how to put it; but if they're rape victims then there must be some very odd rapists in the US; because some of those women are clearly about 15+ stone in weight and there're not what one would describe as 'traditionally attractive' - unless one's particularly attracted to scary she-beasts. It does make me wonder whether some of these women are motivated by sexuar frustration? A great many female feminists seem to be quite unhealthily obsessed with rape in a disturbingly-obsessed way. It goes right across the board really - feminists are always banging on about rape and abortion. It's as though half the time they're obsessed with being 'ravished' - and God knows half the books women read seem to be rape-fantasises like that 'Twilight' nonsense - and the rest of the time they obsessed with killing the results. The more I think about it, the more I think that feminist are really quite creepy.

I’m sure there are MRAs out there who would like to dismiss his posting as the ravings of a random Redditor. Sadly, it’s not. Despite the terribleness of his “explanation,” or perhaps because of it, it seems to be a common one amongst Manosphereians and Men’s Rightsers.

Indeed, in one notorious post a couple of years ago, A Voice for Men founder and all-around garbage human Paul Elam — probably the most important person in the Men’s Rights movement today — offered a much cruder version of this argument. [TRIGGER WARNING for some primo rape apologism. I have bolded the worst bits, and archived the post here in case Elam decides to take it down, as he has been doing with some of his more repellant posts].

http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/09/mens-rightsers-offer-innovative-new-theory-about-rape-and-feminism-and-by-innovative-i-mean-horrifying/

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Men’s Rightsers offer innovative new theory about rape and feminism. (Original Post) ismnotwasm Jan 2015 OP

clueless Skittles Jan 2015 #1

Yup ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #2

I don't think rape means what they think it means. They honestly think rape=sex. I am trying to be Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #3

Jesus, Mary and Joseph shenmue Jan 2015 #4

And some of these guys will call themselves allies. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #5

as someone who worked for the department of corrections DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #6

My SIL works at the DOC ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #9

Ma'am DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #10

Actually it's my Son in law ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #14

It's a typical thing - they threaten feminist activists with rape, KitSileya Jan 2015 #7

it is twisted logic, isn't it. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #8

Rape =sex is the thinking ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #11

sex=rape. yes. Some (#notallmen) think getting raped is a pleasurable experience. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2015 #13

Remember this? *strong trigger warning* ismnotwasm Jan 2015 #12

Skittles

(161,132 posts)

1. clueless

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:11 PM

Jan 2015

but then, that's why they are "mens rightsers" to start with

ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts)

2. Yup

Reply to Skittles (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:22 PM

Jan 2015

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

3. I don't think rape means what they think it means. They honestly think rape=sex. I am trying to be

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 11:48 PM

Jan 2015

nice here and give them the benefit of doubt.

shenmue

(38,538 posts)

4. Jesus, Mary and Joseph

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:20 AM

Jan 2015

I have thought about carrying a gun because of people like this.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

5. And some of these guys will call themselves allies. nt

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 12:53 AM

Jan 2015

DonCoquixote

(13,753 posts)

6. as someone who worked for the department of corrections

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Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:46 AM

Jan 2015

There is a dark part of my soul that would love to see these tough boys get run throught the gauntlet, and then ask them if rape is real. I do not, because I know prison violence makes more violence, but I will not apologize for the thought.

ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts)

9. My SIL works at the DOC

Reply to DonCoquixote (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:42 AM

Jan 2015

You should some hear of the stuff he says.

DonCoquixote

(13,753 posts)

10. Ma'am

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:47 AM

Jan 2015

I have seen it all. You are talking to someone that nearly got killed because the gangs "weaponized" their shanks with the blood of someone with HIV. The worst R-rated dramas do not come close. If your husband ever gets jittery, stressed, or what have you, keep in mind he has gotten several hours of the worst crap that can be done, in some cases literally (ask your hubby what "gassing" is, hint, it involves fermenting certain stuff in the toilet till it becomes toxic, then throwing it like a grenade at the guard.) As more and more private prisons take over, I adivse your husabnd to get out, as the folks that privatize have NO problem putting his life at risk; he is less valubale to them than the inmate, because the inmate can be forced to do wahetevr without a lawyer.

ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts)

14. Actually it's my Son in law

Reply to DonCoquixote (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 03:43 PM

Jan 2015

But my daughter spent a year after she got out of the military as a CO. What a horrible job. Her husband is still there, but working on the degree he needs for fish and wildlife ( he's also ex military)

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)

7. It's a typical thing - they threaten feminist activists with rape,

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:10 AM

Jan 2015

and in the same breath tell them that they are too ugly to rape, as if rape is a compliment of some sorts. They are completely twisted in the head, and I wouldn't want to be within 100 feet of such sewage if I could help it. They are sick, twisted little gremlins.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

8. it is twisted logic, isn't it.

Reply to KitSileya (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:05 AM

Jan 2015

ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts)

11. Rape =sex is the thinking

Reply to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:49 AM

Jan 2015

Women considered unattractive by these types must 'want' it. The thing about women large, small, pretty, plain is whatever the state of their sex lives-- has nothing to do with rape.

I think of women such as Beverly Johnson and her story of being drugged drugged by Bill Cosby, she hung on to enough coherency to cuss him out and get out of there. The stories of assault and rape span a variety of women and men for that matter, the perpetrators are mostly men, who are sick and twisted.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

13. sex=rape. yes. Some (#notallmen) think getting raped is a pleasurable experience.

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:21 AM

Jan 2015

They really think it.

A lot of hetereo men think they would enjoy being raped by a woman.

They fantasize about it.

not realizing they are actually fantasizing about good, normal, hetereo. healthy SEX.

They have conflated rape with sex.

They have no clue: RAPE=VIOLENCE.

ismnotwasm

(42,501 posts)

12. Remember this? *strong trigger warning*

Reply to ismnotwasm (Original post)

Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:54 AM

Jan 2015

Rapists Explain Themselves on Reddit, and We Should Listen

Rapists and would-be rapists are opening up about "the other side of the story" — theirs — on a massive Reddit thread about the motivations behind sexual assault. The conversations range from exasperating to disturbing, and the whole of it may make you want to roll your eyes in disgust. But you shouldn't dismiss the thread as mere rape apologia. There's plenty of that, sure, but there's also a lot more to it.

Yesterday, a Redditor solicited stories of sexual assault from assailants. "Reddit's had a few threads about sexual assault victims, but are there any redditors from the other side of the story?" he asked. "What were your motivations? Do you regret it?"

Given the disturbingly high amount of men's rights activists and rape apologist Redditors — a recent Reddit thread counted the many, many ways the site is "anti-women" — it's easy to see why some would be skeptical about the possibility for productive discussion. "In other words: Yeah, yeah, enough about rape victims, let's hear from the REAL VICTIMS here: the POOR MENZ," Shit Reddit Says lamented. A commenter added, "The thought that my rapist is PROBABLY a redditor and could very well be getting patted on the back RIGHT NOW by HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE for relating how rough raping me was for him is making me literally nauseous."

But it's impossible to talk about the reasons people rape without involving rapists in the discussion. Rapists aren't hiding in the bushes: around two-thirds of rapes are committed by someone known to the victim, and 73 percent of sexual assaults are perpetrated by a non-stranger. It's a mistake to think we're justifying rapists' actions by listening to their stories. Some of them are tough to read, but their brutal honesty illustrates how a lack of communication and education perpetuates rape culture. Ignoring or dismissing these men (and women) out of hand may be an effective coping strategy for a given individual, but not for society. It gets us nowhere.

http://jezebel.com/5929544/rapists-explain-themselves-on-reddit-and-we-should-listen

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