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Related: About this forumIn defense of working-class single mothers (Slate, April 2014)
Fascinating - the intersections of gender, marriage, motherhood, and social class....wow!
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A generation ago (Lily's) decision (to raise her children alone) would have seemed narrow, misguided, and difficult to understand. But now we have to conclude that it makes a lot of sense. Although it defies logic, socioeconomic, cultural, and economic changes have brought white working-class women like Lily to the point where going it alone can be the wiser choice. And the final irony: The same changes that have made marriages more equitable and successful among elite couples have made it less likely that marriage will look attractive to Lily.
When Lily looks around at the available men, they dont offer what she is looking for. Lily, just like better-off men and women, believes that marriage means an unqualified commitment to the other spouse. When you marry someone, you support him in hard times. You stick with him when he disappoints you. You visit him if he ends up in jail. And you encourage him to become an important part of your childrens lives. Its just that Lily doesnt believe that Carl is worth that commitment. Nor does she believe that she will meet someone who will meet her standards anytime soon, and the statistics back her up.
The economy has changed. A higher percentage of men today than 50 years ago have trouble finding steady employment, securing raises and promotions, or remaining sober and productive. Blue-collar men like Carl have lost ground while more highly educated men have gained. The unemployment rate for all men ages 2024 is almost 13 percent, and those with only a high school education are more than twice as likely to be unemployed as those with a college degree. Moreover, many of the jobs that are available have become less reliable than they were for Carls dad. They dont pay as well, last as long, or offer promotions or training. Carl has quit more than one job because he got fed up with his boss. More recently, he was laid off because construction work dried up during a particularly cold spell during the winter. After the layoff, he hung around with his friends, drinking and playing video games. Lily finally had enough when she found out that Carl had run up several hundred dollars in expenses on her credit card. Lily knows she will never be able to depend on him and, particularly now that she has a child, she doesnt believe she can afford the risk. It is not surprising that marriage rates for men in the bottom quartile of earnings have fallen dramatically, from 86 percent in 1970 to 50 percent today.
At the same time that men like Carl have lost ground, women like Lily have gained. While almost no one outside the top executive ranks has gained much since the financial crisis, women in the middle of the American economy saw greater increases than the comparable men in both pay and job stability through the 90s. That doesnt mean that ideas about who should be the breadwinner have changed much, though. Both men and women generally agree that a man who cant hold a steady job shouldnt marry. Indeed, the less education and income people have, the more likely they are to say that to be a good marriage prospect, a person must be able to support a family financially.
The women ready for marriage in this group have grown larger than the group of marriageable men who would be good partners. These menthe ones with better jobs and more stable liveshave become more reluctant, in turn, to settle for only one woman. Their marital prospects have improved, and they could marry a reliable partner. Yet, with a choice of committing to a woman who outearns them or keeping their independence, the men seem to prefer their freedom. Lily did go out for a while with a more promising high school classmate. But then she discovered text messages with another woman on his phone. The experience left her jaded. She has very few friends, married or unmarried, in strong relationships, and she did not see much point in waiting for a Prince Charming she did not expect to find. Indeed, while less than 20 percent of the most highly educated Americans believe that marriage has not worked out for most of the people they know, more than half of those who are least educated believe that marriage has not worked out.
When Lily looks around at the available men, they dont offer what she is looking for. Lily, just like better-off men and women, believes that marriage means an unqualified commitment to the other spouse. When you marry someone, you support him in hard times. You stick with him when he disappoints you. You visit him if he ends up in jail. And you encourage him to become an important part of your childrens lives. Its just that Lily doesnt believe that Carl is worth that commitment. Nor does she believe that she will meet someone who will meet her standards anytime soon, and the statistics back her up.
The economy has changed. A higher percentage of men today than 50 years ago have trouble finding steady employment, securing raises and promotions, or remaining sober and productive. Blue-collar men like Carl have lost ground while more highly educated men have gained. The unemployment rate for all men ages 2024 is almost 13 percent, and those with only a high school education are more than twice as likely to be unemployed as those with a college degree. Moreover, many of the jobs that are available have become less reliable than they were for Carls dad. They dont pay as well, last as long, or offer promotions or training. Carl has quit more than one job because he got fed up with his boss. More recently, he was laid off because construction work dried up during a particularly cold spell during the winter. After the layoff, he hung around with his friends, drinking and playing video games. Lily finally had enough when she found out that Carl had run up several hundred dollars in expenses on her credit card. Lily knows she will never be able to depend on him and, particularly now that she has a child, she doesnt believe she can afford the risk. It is not surprising that marriage rates for men in the bottom quartile of earnings have fallen dramatically, from 86 percent in 1970 to 50 percent today.
At the same time that men like Carl have lost ground, women like Lily have gained. While almost no one outside the top executive ranks has gained much since the financial crisis, women in the middle of the American economy saw greater increases than the comparable men in both pay and job stability through the 90s. That doesnt mean that ideas about who should be the breadwinner have changed much, though. Both men and women generally agree that a man who cant hold a steady job shouldnt marry. Indeed, the less education and income people have, the more likely they are to say that to be a good marriage prospect, a person must be able to support a family financially.
The women ready for marriage in this group have grown larger than the group of marriageable men who would be good partners. These menthe ones with better jobs and more stable liveshave become more reluctant, in turn, to settle for only one woman. Their marital prospects have improved, and they could marry a reliable partner. Yet, with a choice of committing to a woman who outearns them or keeping their independence, the men seem to prefer their freedom. Lily did go out for a while with a more promising high school classmate. But then she discovered text messages with another woman on his phone. The experience left her jaded. She has very few friends, married or unmarried, in strong relationships, and she did not see much point in waiting for a Prince Charming she did not expect to find. Indeed, while less than 20 percent of the most highly educated Americans believe that marriage has not worked out for most of the people they know, more than half of those who are least educated believe that marriage has not worked out.
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Does society have an interest in helping couples like Lily and Carl stay together? Probably, but not in the way many policymakers have proposed. Those who would promote marriage seek to do so largely by taking away Lilys independence. New York Times columnist Ross Douthat, for example, suggests that more restrictive abortion policies could increase the marriage rate. And many who seek to promote marriage, like the Catholic Church, link the availability of contraception to the sexual freedom they see as responsible for the decline in marriage. Others, like Charles Murray, would cut programs such as Medicaid, food stamps, early childhood education and child care, mandatory family leave, and other policies that make it easier for women like Lily to raise a child on their own.
In our view what would make the most difference to this unfair marriage market are policies that would increase the number and quality of jobs available to working class men, retraining and unemployment benefits that fill in the gaps between jobs, and ongoing support for womens autonomy. Since the 80s, the gender gap in wages has increased at the top but shrunk in the middle. As a result, Lily finds that she can say no to marriage and raise a child on her own. Modern family law protects the interests of elite men who make an investment in their children. It does not recognize the burdens of women like Lily who are often both the more reliable breadwinner and the primary caretaker in their familiesand of the men who are shut out of their families. Lets not make raising a child become yet another marker of class.
In our view what would make the most difference to this unfair marriage market are policies that would increase the number and quality of jobs available to working class men, retraining and unemployment benefits that fill in the gaps between jobs, and ongoing support for womens autonomy. Since the 80s, the gender gap in wages has increased at the top but shrunk in the middle. As a result, Lily finds that she can say no to marriage and raise a child on her own. Modern family law protects the interests of elite men who make an investment in their children. It does not recognize the burdens of women like Lily who are often both the more reliable breadwinner and the primary caretaker in their familiesand of the men who are shut out of their families. Lets not make raising a child become yet another marker of class.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/04/white_working_class_women_should_stay_single_mothers_argue_the_authors_of.html
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In defense of working-class single mothers (Slate, April 2014) (Original Post)
YoungDemCA
May 2015
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Dawson Leery
(19,382 posts)1. Stephanie Coontz on marriage.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)2. I differ with the idea that taking care of men's job prospects is the factor. UE didn't cause this:
hanging out with friends
drinking and playing video games...
running run up money on her credit card....
Because those are not mandatory activities, whether he could find work or not. And he would not have been able to indulge himself in them if she was not working.
Or whether or not he liked or felt a sense of fulfillment or security at the jobs he was able to get. Those are baseline things women and minorities have dealt with forever.
But women still have to take jobs to support their child. Any job, no matter how humiliating or how badly it pays. Because of that child.
This piece sounds like a white male entitlement scenario.
The GOP plan to enable that is not to provide her independence, but to provide him opportunity while she is uneducated, unprotected and kept at home as his servant.
If he did have a job, and she did or did not have one, there is still no protection that he will not leave her and child without means.
That was one of the early premises of feminism that has been borne out by women who had to go to work instead of depending on a man, because you cannot count on another person for a living.
Thus the EEOC and other agencies and programs to allow women to be independent whether they have a spouse or not. Nothing is for sure and a mother must take care of her child first, if possible.
drinking and playing video games...
running run up money on her credit card....
Because those are not mandatory activities, whether he could find work or not. And he would not have been able to indulge himself in them if she was not working.
Or whether or not he liked or felt a sense of fulfillment or security at the jobs he was able to get. Those are baseline things women and minorities have dealt with forever.
But women still have to take jobs to support their child. Any job, no matter how humiliating or how badly it pays. Because of that child.
This piece sounds like a white male entitlement scenario.
The GOP plan to enable that is not to provide her independence, but to provide him opportunity while she is uneducated, unprotected and kept at home as his servant.
If he did have a job, and she did or did not have one, there is still no protection that he will not leave her and child without means.
That was one of the early premises of feminism that has been borne out by women who had to go to work instead of depending on a man, because you cannot count on another person for a living.
Thus the EEOC and other agencies and programs to allow women to be independent whether they have a spouse or not. Nothing is for sure and a mother must take care of her child first, if possible.