to get it off your chest. I was told my claim that people defend misogyny here is "delusional." People love to ignore what's in front of their noses.

You do have a lot of support it just gets drowned out.

Same with mine.

I gotta say they don't have any new material. I could probably write a book outlining all the arguments why misogyny doesn't exist and how words aren't misogynistic. I wouldn't even need to refer back for content I've heard it all so many times.

but say I respect your views and choices anyway. That is great to see.
I haven't had the courage to slog through most of your thread. I've read a few responses and glanced at it. I may tackle it later.

I'm just feeling exhausted at the moment. It is all so monotonous.

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Because contrary to popular belief people who fight against getting shat on are actually healthier than people who are passive.

Too many angry people.

But irl - first Beyonce, then Taylor Swift and now Ariana Grande have come out.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/ariana-grande-issues-important-feminist-manifesto


The "f" word has turned a corner and energy is back in the movement. Who will come out next?

But yes. I saw that today and was pleased. I do believe you are correct.

I can not remember the last time a world famous star proclaimed herself a feminist. In fact, I can not think of a precedence and it has been over three decades since most girls/women (except those of us of a certain age) would entertain, much less own, the word.

These young women are 33, 25 and 21 and their fan base is most of the world and with social media being what is it there is no stopping the conversation.

Now... Beyonce has already attended a Hillary event so someone needs to contact Taylor and Ariana and invite them to dinner with Hil and Chelsea and secure their endorsement.

I think the fear of equality is what is driving so much of the anger in certain quarters and they must be shaking in their boots to see those hated Women's Libbers coming back into full focus right in front of their eyes. They can trash you (me/HOF) but they can't stop them.

aoan - I see that sea has given your post a Rec. I don't know what her due date is but I have noticed that she is reading everything. Hi sea

And yes, hello sea. Can't wait for you to get out of jail. I wish we had an appeals court. One that I could appoint. LOL

have got her again. Me too, "Hi Sea!"

I feel quite certain he is the one who is fighting a losing battle.

Did MIRT get him or one of the admin?

This person knew a lot of history. Know what I mean?

Creep creep creep

They were active this week too, trolling a convention that addressed misogyny in gaming culture.

I think they are getting worse because they know they are losing.

Prove it. You got links? That isn't what that means. You weakling. Men have some troubles too. You're imagining thing. You want to censor and word police and just have a word war. Why aren't you worriesld about Mexico and Boko haram. You're just perpetually outraged.

Shall I go on?

Yeah, I especially loved the one about not being as bad off as a third-world woman. Oh, ok! Boy, I could dig deep on the hypocrisy of that, but I don't want to get a hide.

About women. You care only about words.

That's another one.

Would they be defending running around any other private place of business calling people slurs? This isn't the town square.

What do you think that tells us?

Their prejudiced point of view has been privileged--now that someone has been punished for it, they don't like the feeling one bit.

I don't think it a good idea to hide what goes on. But it bothers someone(s):


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I'm guessing the alerter is worried about the negative branding for his philosophy's image...

That is one hateful dude. Does name removed mean they got a pizza?

to find out what that word actually means. as an antonio banderas character says in one movie, "the word does not mean what you think it means"

Gave it to one of my daughters--never did get another one

I bet mommy still pays his bills

That's my reason for posting. To help those with denial out some.

any women knows just from daily incidents

I am extremely sorry to report. I don't have any answers.

Some of the things I have seen there are mind blowing. In some ways the slurs against women are worse in that if someone uses a slur against a woman it's no big deal. Women are too sensitive and thin skinned they are told in many cases. This thing with Skip has really has shown how acceptable it is to use vulgar slurs against women. I might differ with you on how I think that should be handled, but I agree with you on how serious it is. We wouldn't sit back and let someone talk like that to a POC or any other ethnic minority, a child, a disabled person, or someone who had a mental illness. So, why should we just let it roll off our backs when someone says something like that to a woman or about a woman? I think we should not. Anyway, my point is I do understand that the women of DU aren't making things up, I have seen it in GD and other places, I have seen it when I visit the feminists forums and AA like I mentioned before.

BTW, I don't really want Skip back. He supports Bernie like I do. But, like I always say with friends like that who needs enemies.

join in attacking women who do think it is a big deal. They only have to point to these women to "make their case". No idea why anyone would think all women think alike, do all men think alike?

that name removed is really running scared, is he not? respect toward our BETTERS? good thing I was nor drinking anything.

Chapter 1, How to Troll Feminists. Needs more "hysterical" and "outraged" and "fee-fees" -- try harder, White Man.

or there are a bunch who write in a similar way.

I suspect it's that Vashta Naruda guy (can't remember his actual screen name) who was banned for his misogynist bullshit a while back. Sounds like something he'd come up with. Typing with only one hand on the keyboard while doing so, of course.

very poor latin for "don't let the bastards grind you down"

yes, we get tired, and discouraged, and insulted. all with the hope that we will just get sick of the whole mess, shut up, and go away.

soooooo not happening.

beautiful, just relax. I know how hard it can be to recharge, when you feel so completely drained. wish I could help.

The stubbornly foolish will remain so, but they are not representative.

each time I give it a try.

I just read Bane's post in GD, and oh the reactionary bullshit doth spew forth from "I don't know what you mean" to classic derailment. Meh. Bane is one of the most articulate posters around and very easy to understand.

Meantime in real life, I've had recent conversations with 3 males--one being my Libertarian brother-- and two females who, independent of me, used the term "rape culture" correctly in a sentence.

My very Catholic daughter clings to as much feminism as she can, and has simply decided her job is to be as good a person as possible and not judge people for their life decisions, and certainly not their gender identification or sexual orientation, because in her words, it's none of her business.

Feminism is burgeoning all over the place. Those who don't know misogyny are destined to repeat it and defend it only these days, they're the fucking dinosaurs right before the comet.

and a right to be taken seriously.

It gets tiresome. Heck, just watching what goes on here is enough to make me tired and I leave.

The season is young, take a break if you need. I feel for those of you brave enough to speak out and take the heat. I respect you.

I often do take breaks where I post nothing or very little...

Sometimes I post a lot in one thread and nothing else...

This topic however can drain one quickly. I will recharge the batteries!

I often take a break not simply from DU, but from the words of news and popular culture as absolutely as I'm able to do. Too often, I allow myself to get far too frustrated at the simpletons and dullards who pretend to be ignorant of spoonerisms and popular colloquialisms (no one on DU is *that* under-educated or sub-literate), or so-called adults righteously justifying a "hawt celebs thread", eventually becoming the golden calf of their irrational little cabal.

So, I just tune out for two, three, sometimes four days-- DU, news (print, broadcast, etc). I did so this past weekend, and spent a glorious weekend in silent beauty and ignorant bliss.

Afterwards, it's still worth it. I promise.

I think you make a difference. I really do.

Thank you!

Widen its grasp, others depends on us,

I see my favorite author who loves to use the p-word as an insult ( because p**** is the epitome of weakness and cowardice ) is front page on DU again.

Amazing how so many folks here can claim to be in the fight against the war on women and yet, this is the standard we get.

Meh.

Ignore the emotional vampires - dementors even. Nothing you can ever say or do can ever make them happy.

Your opinions are important. I have learnt much from the ladies of HoF, and I very much miss it when there is little in HoF, as has often been the case recently.

Please keep posting. You make a difference.