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Polybius

(17,695 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:39 PM Dec 2019

It has come to my attention that you used to be able to see "post removed" posts...

I've been here a little over two years, and I like to search and read old posts, sometimes years old. I read somewhere someone talking about "being able to read removed posts now." To me, that sounds like paradise. This has never been an option since I've been here, unless I'm doing something wrong in my settings.

Is the option there, or is it not available anymore? We all get curious, so if it's there I'd click it every time. If it's not there anymore, why was it removed?

Long time members, has any other things changed over the years?

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It has come to my attention that you used to be able to see "post removed" posts... (Original Post) Polybius Dec 2019 OP
You were able to at one time. Not anymore Lochloosa Dec 2019 #1
Ah ok, I figured that was the case Polybius Dec 2019 #3
I think you used to be able to see your own removed posts Ron Obvious Dec 2019 #2
That sounds like a fantastic idea Polybius Dec 2019 #4
Posts used to be "hidden," not removed entirely, but not anymore Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #5
Was an explanation given as to the change? Polybius Dec 2019 #6
It's been awhile, but I think allowing everyone to still read "hidden" posts Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #7
I always wondered what the point was of hiding a post when you could still click... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #8
I liked it when we could still read hidden posts if we wanted. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #10
I liked it, too. I know some of it was just meddlesome curiosity, but it made the place... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #15
There are certain people you are simply not allowed to criticize. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #17
They did reverse one a while ago, but none of my (guess who) complaints were... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #20
Well, in another thread I did have my anti-Bernie post removed... TreasonousBastard Dec 2019 #21
Yes, they do respond. cwydro Dec 2019 #22
Jury comments were a double edged sword, but on the whole I thought they were useful. hlthe2b Dec 2019 #11
I'm not sure what the point was either, think it was for "transparency" Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #13
Here is Skinner's post on some of those changes from 2013 hlthe2b Dec 2019 #9
Yes. Ask the Administrators used to be another good thing PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #12
Appeals are still possible and we have seen people here reinstated Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #16
I'm aware of people whose appeals were apparently never looked at. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #18
I know people who had that experience too. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #19
I've seen people reinstated, so that's not true. cwydro Dec 2019 #23
Thanks for posting that, I wasn't sure where to still find it. Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #14
 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
2. I think you used to be able to see your own removed posts
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:44 PM
Dec 2019

Or possibly only if you had added them to your journal. I can't see them now, though. I would like the option as well. Possibly make it a star member benefit or only allow it for posters with more than 5,000 posts or something.

Rhiannon12866

(221,379 posts)
5. Posts used to be "hidden," not removed entirely, but not anymore
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:47 PM
Dec 2019

So if someone got a "hide," you could still read it. But even though we may still refer to "hidden" posts, they're now really gone.

Rhiannon12866

(221,379 posts)
7. It's been awhile, but I think allowing everyone to still read "hidden" posts
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:59 PM
Dec 2019

Caused unnecessary controversy. It was the same with juries. It used to be possible to add "comments" if you alerted or took part in a jury, but some of the jury comments were such that people would alert on them, so now it's just anonymous. And the admins did explain ahead of time that things were about to change - and why.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. I always wondered what the point was of hiding a post when you could still click...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:12 PM
Dec 2019

on it and read it. Seemed like pointing it out.

And the last deleted post of mine I could still read. Seems like if it's my post, it's still my post even if it's hidden from view.

Jury comments I miss. Many of the comments were elucidating, and worth more than the original post or alert.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,641 posts)
10. I liked it when we could still read hidden posts if we wanted.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:17 PM
Dec 2019

It helped make sense of the responses.

And I very much liked the jury comments. They really were helpful. Now, with no jury comments, just the post going away, strikes me as potentially open to abuse. I know how often I get asked to serve on a jury, and it's frankly shocking. Some people here must take offense at everything. Maybe the name of the member who alerted on a post, and why, ought to be public. Bring back the jury comments also.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
15. I liked it, too. I know some of it was just meddlesome curiosity, but it made the place...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:29 PM
Dec 2019

a little more of a community. Wiping out all the posts of an obvious troll is no big deal, but a long-time member suddenly having a post removed for no specific reason is a little scary.

I don't know if it's calmed down much lately, but there was a real fear in some quarters about being negative about certain candidates or subjects. Some of us have had posts removed for no specific reason and the best you can do is appeal the removal and wait. And wait...

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,641 posts)
17. There are certain people you are simply not allowed to criticize.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:08 PM
Dec 2019

And while you can supposedly appeal a post removal, the administrators never respond to such appeals.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
20. They did reverse one a while ago, but none of my (guess who) complaints were...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:16 PM
Dec 2019

reversed. I suspect the population around here has changed a bit-- alerts probably haven't slowed down but hidings may have.

At any rate, I feel just a wee bit freer about my chances of not being shut down.

Strange thing to say on a liberal site.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
21. Well, in another thread I did have my anti-Bernie post removed...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:17 PM
Dec 2019

so I suppose they are still out there.

Last time I complained about one being removed I had the complaint removed for "interfering with forum moderation"

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. Yes, they do respond.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:52 PM
Dec 2019

I’ve had my appeals granted in the past. Not often, but they do look at appeals.

Rhiannon12866

(221,379 posts)
13. I'm not sure what the point was either, think it was for "transparency"
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:27 PM
Dec 2019

But you know how things can get here - that's the same reason that the Meta Forum was shut down for good. I imagine it got to be a bit much dealing with jury "comments" that were as unacceptable as the "hidden" post.

And I'm guessing that you may be able to still read your own post even if it's been "removed." Fortunately, I haven't had that happen to me since DU.2 (2004) *knock on wood*

hlthe2b

(106,208 posts)
9. Here is Skinner's post on some of those changes from 2013
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:15 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=2863

Members who are abusive while performing jury service will lose the privilege of serving on juries.
The administrators are getting increasingly concerned about the small number of members who repeatedly post rude juror comments while serving on juries. The vast majority of jurors are doing the job in good faith, but unfortunately a small number of people are not. Some people seem to be using the juror comments as a "free" opportunity to make extremely abusive comments to people -- that's not ok. If any juror has a history of inappropriate comments, or if any juror makes a single comment that is way over the line, then we are going to exclude that individual from jury service. If we do take away any person's jury privileges, we will do so transparently and make a note of it on that person's profile page. (Look for the words "Eligible to serve on Juries?"


I get the impression some other changes may have been made since then but maybe admins chose not to post about it? We used to have an ATA (ask the administrators) forum where "live" public questions were posted and they would answer some of them. That is now limited to a few categories of inquiries and they are submitted without public posting.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,641 posts)
12. Yes. Ask the Administrators used to be another good thing
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:19 PM
Dec 2019

that should not have gone away.

Another change is that people used to be tombstoned, and you could see that. Now someone's profile is simply under review, and apparently there is no appealing such a review. Tombstoning would be more honest.

Rhiannon12866

(221,379 posts)
16. Appeals are still possible and we have seen people here reinstated
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 03:31 PM
Dec 2019

It doesn't happen often, but it has happened.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,641 posts)
18. I'm aware of people whose appeals were apparently never looked at.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 04:11 PM
Dec 2019

Never responded to.

I am aware of only one reinstatement, and I don't think that person was actually banned, just had posted some things in anger and was allowed to apologize. Others never got that chance.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. I've seen people reinstated, so that's not true.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 05:53 PM
Dec 2019

Just like with the post removed appeals; it does happen.

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