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Happyhippychick

(8,422 posts)
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:24 PM Jan 2020

For jury purposes, is Bernie Sanders considered to be a democratic public figure?

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the DU Community Help forum).

I assume "no" while it is still primary season but I think I may be wrong.

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For jury purposes, is Bernie Sanders considered to be a democratic public figure? (Original Post) Happyhippychick Jan 2020 OP
No RandySF Jan 2020 #1
The jury instructions specify that the rule applies to him. femmedem Jan 2020 #15
I have assumed that he is not a Democratic public figure lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #2
The DU jury instructions specifically say the rule against bashing Democrats applies to him. femmedem Jan 2020 #12
Why doesn't he obey the rules himself then? dem4decades Jan 2020 #16
He's not a member of DU. These are DU rules. femmedem Jan 2020 #18
Oh, you mean DU juries RandySF Jan 2020 #3
For DU juries, the answer is yes. femmedem Jan 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #4
No Botany Jan 2020 #5
I see less evidence of ego problems in Steyer's and Bloomberg's actions than in BS' actions. spooky3 Jan 2020 #9
Actually, the jury instructions specify that he is included in the don't bash Democrats rule. femmedem Jan 2020 #10
Yes, absolutely. It even specifies him by name in the explanation femmedem Jan 2020 #6
For DU alert jury duty, yes. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #8
Yes he is. Have you never read the jury rules? They clearly state that he is a Democratic public Autumn Jan 2020 #13
No need to be snarky Happyhippychick Jan 2020 #19
I wasn't being snarky. It's in the jury rules and when that alert is used that rule comes up. Autumn Jan 2020 #20
"Have you never read the jury rules" Happyhippychick Jan 2020 #21
You would be amazed at how many haven't seen that. Autumn Jan 2020 #22
No I wouldn't be amazed in the slightest, nor would I be amazed in the least progree Jan 2020 #23
Yes elleng Jan 2020 #14
As indicated in previous posts, FoxNewsSucks Jan 2020 #17
You wouldn't think so to look at the Primaries group redqueen Jan 2020 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #25
There is one jury guideline... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #26
unfortunately, the rules here would have us look at Sanders as a democratic figure, beachbumbob Jan 2020 #27
The answer is "yes" and EarlG Jan 2020 #28

RandySF

(70,400 posts)
1. No
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:26 PM
Jan 2020

Just a member of the Senate.

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
15. The jury instructions specify that the rule applies to him.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

lapfog_1

(30,085 posts)
2. I have assumed that he is not a Democratic public figure
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:28 PM
Jan 2020

given that his public profile lists him as Sanders(I) of Vermont

That plus his surrogates consistently attack the rest of the Party from Warren to Hillary and everyone in between

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
12. The DU jury instructions specifically say the rule against bashing Democrats applies to him.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:37 PM
Jan 2020

dem4decades

(11,886 posts)
16. Why doesn't he obey the rules himself then?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
18. He's not a member of DU. These are DU rules.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

And I'm not his surrogate. He's not even my candidate of choice. I'm just trying to stop the spread of misinformation about DU's terms of service.

RandySF

(70,400 posts)
3. Oh, you mean DU juries
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:30 PM
Jan 2020

No

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
11. For DU juries, the answer is yes.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jan 2020

Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Botany

(72,385 posts)
5. No
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jan 2020

He is out for himself.

spooky3

(36,091 posts)
9. I see less evidence of ego problems in Steyer's and Bloomberg's actions than in BS' actions.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:34 PM
Jan 2020

And they have accomplished FAR more in their careers.

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
10. Actually, the jury instructions specify that he is included in the don't bash Democrats rule.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:35 PM
Jan 2020

femmedem

(8,430 posts)
6. Yes, absolutely. It even specifies him by name in the explanation
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jan 2020

when you're asked to serve on a jury about bashing a Democratic figure--something like Democratic figure or person who normally aligns with Democrats, such as Bernie Sanders.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
7. For DU alert jury duty, yes.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jan 2020

From the "Don't bash Democratic public figures" alert:

"This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders)."

Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Autumn

(46,150 posts)
13. Yes he is. Have you never read the jury rules? They clearly state that he is a Democratic public
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

figure. It's also in the TOS.

Don't bash Democratic public figures
Do not post disrespectful nicknames, insults, or highly inflammatory attacks against any Democratic public figures. Do not post anything that could be construed as bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for any Democratic general election candidate, and do not compare any Democratic general election candidate unfavorably to their general election opponent(s).

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

Happyhippychick

(8,422 posts)
19. No need to be snarky
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:49 PM
Jan 2020

I have read the jury rules and I try to be a responsible member of the community which is why I asked. I'm not perfect and I didn't remember.

Geez.

Autumn

(46,150 posts)
20. I wasn't being snarky. It's in the jury rules and when that alert is used that rule comes up.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020

I think that part should be removed though, it's rarely enforced.

Happyhippychick

(8,422 posts)
21. "Have you never read the jury rules"
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:57 PM
Jan 2020

Wasn't necessary

Autumn

(46,150 posts)
22. You would be amazed at how many haven't seen that.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:02 PM
Jan 2020

progree

(11,463 posts)
23. No I wouldn't be amazed in the slightest, nor would I be amazed in the least
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:06 AM
Jan 2020

It's the last sentence of the "Why we have this rule" part of "Bashing Democrats". How many people read the "why we have this rule" more than the first time or two that they encounter it? If at all? Most people already think they know why we have this rule.

And it's not in the "Support Democrats" rule at all, anywhere.

Anyway, its clear from this thread and others I've seen on this subject that the ignorance is widespread.

You are correct in #20 that it's rarely enforced.

People see a "Don't bash Democrats" or "support Democrats" alert re: a bash Bernie post, and think "Bernie is no Democrat" and vote accordingly.

elleng

(135,848 posts)
14. Yes
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

FoxNewsSucks

(10,762 posts)
17. As indicated in previous posts,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

he is. And his liberal policies are more aligned with the good of the public than a number of corporate-type politicians who have official D's after their name.

redqueen

(115,164 posts)
24. You wouldn't think so to look at the Primaries group
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:36 AM
Jan 2020

of which a large percentage of threads are just endless Bernie (and Bernie supporter) bashing

Response to Happyhippychick (Original post)

Mike Nelson

(10,266 posts)
26. There is one jury guideline...
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:23 AM
Jan 2020

... that mentions him, specifically - but it is in the context of a General Election candidate. I look for that mention - it's near the bottom - and read/consider the entire guideline, with the General Election context in mind.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
27. unfortunately, the rules here would have us look at Sanders as a democratic figure,
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:29 AM
Jan 2020

always makes me laugh as Sanders has spent a career bashing democrats and democratic initiatives.

EarlG

(22,524 posts)
28. The answer is "yes" and
Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:33 AM
Jan 2020

I’m going to lock this now.

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