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questionseverything

(10,054 posts)
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:07 PM Oct 2023

I don't like that in our new du

We can’t tell what replies we have already read… even when fifty more posts have been made

I could always tell before and it’s a time waster reading the entire thread instead of just the new posts

Admins i hope you fix this

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I don't like that in our new du (Original Post) questionseverything Oct 2023 OP
Yes. Also we desperately need a "back to the top" button when deep into a long thread. brush Oct 2023 #1
At the bottom left there is a "top" button. That is the back to top button. nt Wounded Bear Oct 2023 #2
I'm looking at an "Alert" and "Share" button at the bottom left of your post. brush Oct 2023 #5
Yeah, haven't tried Skinner version. Good luck. nt Wounded Bear Oct 2023 #7
The Opera web browser has that feature. ItsjustMe Oct 2023 #8
How about a Home page? AdamGG Oct 2023 #3
there is a home page. click on the banner "democratic underground".nt. drray23 Oct 2023 #4
You'll have to be more specific EarlG Oct 2023 #6
I will offer a good guess at what the OP means BootinUp Oct 2023 #9
Yep, that's it questionseverything Oct 2023 #11
Ah ok I understand EarlG Oct 2023 #13
I love the new DU. Lunabell Oct 2023 #17
Try this EarlG Oct 2023 #18
Awesome! Lunabell Oct 2023 #20
Thanks for everything, EarlG Easterncedar Oct 2023 #19
Before the update questionseverything Oct 2023 #10
I understand and agree with your point. sl8 Oct 2023 #12
lI had no idea that DU3 had that capability. I would have loved it. progree Oct 2023 #14
Maybe this is a dumb question but why did we need this whole overhaul in the first place? calimary Oct 2023 #15
Not a dumb question EarlG Oct 2023 #16
Love your response, EarlG erronis Oct 2023 #21
Well, it wasn't my question, but I very much appreciate the long, thoughtful answer, highplainsdem Oct 2023 #22

brush

(57,219 posts)
1. Yes. Also we desperately need a "back to the top" button when deep into a long thread.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:12 PM
Oct 2023

It used to be bottom left of each post. Saves a lot of scrolling.

brush

(57,219 posts)
5. I'm looking at an "Alert" and "Share" button at the bottom left of your post.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:19 PM
Oct 2023

I'm in "Skinner" mode. I'll switch to DU4 to see, as it was my complaint when I first switched to DU4. Maybe it's been added.

ItsjustMe

(11,595 posts)
8. The Opera web browser has that feature.
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:34 PM
Oct 2023

Regardless of how far I am into a deep thread on any website, all I need to do is click on the tab of that thread, and it brings me back up to the top of the thread.
https://www.opera.com/

I am currently using the new Opera One, It's still in beta, so it's a little buggy.
https://www.opera.com/one



BootinUp

(48,897 posts)
9. I will offer a good guess at what the OP means
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:48 PM
Oct 2023

First, it is not a big deal to me because we can still look at reply numbers to figure out newer replies.

But, to the OP point: Previously the list/tree view of replies had an icon for each reply that changed color or appearance based on whether its new since your last visit to the thread. I don't think DU4 has that functionality.

Oh and Nice job on the site.

questionseverything

(10,054 posts)
11. Yep, that's it
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:58 PM
Oct 2023

Although there is zero chance I am going to keep track of what number the responses were at

EarlG

(22,513 posts)
13. Ah ok I understand
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 07:55 AM
Oct 2023

So as previously on DU, if you use the “Mark” buttons regularly then items posted before you hit the “Mark” button will be shown with little white icons next to them. This includes both links to threads if you’re looking at a forum, or links to replies if you’re looking at the reply tree below an OP.

If you don’t use the “Mark” buttons regularly you may want to try this instead: At the top of the reply tree you should see three small buttons which say “None”, “5 Newest”, and “Recommended” — if you click the “5 Newest” button, it will highlight the five most recent replies to a thread.

The software will remember your setting, so if you leave the button clicked, every thread you open will highlight the five newest responses.

(By the way, the “Recommended” button will highlight any replies with five or more Recs.)

Lunabell

(6,774 posts)
17. I love the new DU.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 02:17 PM
Oct 2023

The only thing I don't like is that the "My Stuff" button blinks and turns yellow when there is something new. The blinking is annoyoning and I wish it would just turn yellow.

EarlG

(22,513 posts)
18. Try this
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 02:23 PM
Oct 2023

Go to My Stuff > Account Settings

Then scroll down to the “My Stuff” notifications section.

You can select a different notification style there. Don’t forget to hit the “Save all settings” button after you’ve found one you like.

questionseverything

(10,054 posts)
10. Before the update
Fri Oct 20, 2023, 07:55 PM
Oct 2023

If I had read the responses, then left the page and came back later the new responses were easy to see ( I can’t remember how they were marked or what ever) but it was easy to see what responses were new

Now if I circle back all the posts look the same…. There’s nothing to show what’s new

sl8

(16,245 posts)
12. I understand and agree with your point.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 07:47 AM
Oct 2023

Have you tried clicking on the "5 Newest" box? It accomplishes approximately the same thing.

progree

(11,463 posts)
14. lI had no idea that DU3 had that capability. I would have loved it.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:07 AM
Oct 2023

In DU4 my workaround is to put the number or replies in Notes. But its extra work, and I only do it for threads where I really want to read every reply.

In DU3 I used to use my browser's bookmarks to keep track, I could put the title in and then " ( 51" for 51 replies for example. But I didn't like having to do the bookkeeping of keeping the bookmarks from being too voluminous.

calimary

(84,117 posts)
15. Maybe this is a dumb question but why did we need this whole overhaul in the first place?
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 12:41 PM
Oct 2023

Asking for “a friend”.

EarlG

(22,513 posts)
16. Not a dumb question
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 02:05 PM
Oct 2023

The simple answer is, because I wanted to do it. And the reason it looks the way it looks is because that's the way I wanted it to look (with the caveat that we're still working on fixing bugs in the layout, so not EVERYTHING looks the way I want it to look just yet).

The more detailed answer: Like most people, I'd often find myself in situations where I'd meet new people and they would ask what I do for a living. Sometimes I would show them DU on my phone. But every single time that happened, I'd catch myself saying something like, "Er, sorry it looks so old-fashioned." Honestly, I didn't want to keep making excuses and apologizing for the look of the site that I ran. I wanted to make something that looked more modern, and more inviting for people who might be just finding DU for the first time.

In the old days we used to update the look of the site much more regularly -- we had numerous homepage overhauls during the first ten years of DU -- but once DU3 was complete we very much rested on our laurels. As the site got older, and the design started to look more and more old-fashioned, it also became apparent that it was becoming harder and harder to make modern-day improvements because of the old-fashioned layout and code.

I started working on the DU4 redesign in 2019, when Skinner still owned the site. By that time he was pretty burned out on DU and wasn't very interested in the idea of putting lots of work into a new look, so I just kinda kept it to myself. When he officially retired and I became the owner, it seemed like the perfect time for an update.

You have to remember that despite DU's longevity and popularity, and the size and dedication of its community, at the end of the day this is a personal project. We've done what we can to democratize the moderating system, but the site itself isn't run by a board, or a committee. There's no fancy market research or focus groups. It's just me -- a self-taught web developer with a background in the arts, not computer science -- doing the front-end visual coding, and Elad doing the back-end coding and database management.

So I simply started off by trying to make something that *I* liked. But of course, part of the reason this redesign took three years is because I didn't JUST design it for me. I knew that there was no possible way to build something which every single DU member would immediately approve of, but I still spent most of the development time making sure that the vast majority of the elements in the redesign were not too dissimilar to the previous design, and trying to anticipate the various ways that people might use the site.

That's why when you look at things like the Latest Discussions page, or the forums, or the way discussion threads are laid out -- what I think of as the "meat" of DU -- those layouts are all almost identical to the way they were on DU3. Even the homepage, which some people seem particularly bothered about, is not too far away from its old layout. That's also why I spent about a full third of the project building out a reverse-engineered version of the previous design, in order to smooth the transition for people who preferred it that way.

But perhaps what is most important to know is that I do not consider the release of DU4 to be the end -- in fact, this is the beginning. DU3 was on its last legs -- all we could do was keep it running; we could not create new features and functions that people might appreciate. Whereas DU4 is a foundation that can be built on. Of course we still have plenty of bugs and issues to resolve -- it's only been a few days since everyone started using it -- but all those bugs will be fixed in time. I'm completely open to making changes and adjustments, adding features, and tweaking things where necessary to improve people's experience.

I get that some people are having difficulty with the transition. There's no way to pull off a project of this magnitude without doing something that's going to annoy somebody. But the alternative was DU3 forever, and that just couldn't work indefinitely.

So all I'm asking for at the moment is a little patience while we continue the update process, and also perhaps the benefit of the doubt from folks who are having trouble getting used to it. We have not demolished the property and started from scratch, all we've done is renovate the place -- put in a new carpet, repainted, and moved some of the furniture around. The house remains the same.

Bottom line: I wouldn't have spent three years working on this if I didn't care about DU and everyone who comes here. In fact the reason for these renovations is because I care deeply about DU -- not just because it's my job, but because it's a great site and community, and I want it to live long into the future.

I hope that answers your question.

erronis

(16,762 posts)
21. Love your response, EarlG
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 07:15 PM
Oct 2023

And I'm glad you have done this because you felt it needed to be done. Not because some focus group or board of directors got together and had thousands of ideas for their pet projects/peeves.

I've been involved in a lot of web site (and long ago application GUIs) redesigns. It's painful, especially when many backseat drivers don't really know what they want or the level of effort involved.

I'm a large-screen/keyboard user and will almost never visit a site like DU using a mobile device. I want my mouse and keyboard and screen real-estate. I do know that many users are on phones/slablets so the new interface appears a bit more convenient for finger stabs.

Please keep on keeping on. I'll follow along with kudos and a rare gripe.

highplainsdem

(52,095 posts)
22. Well, it wasn't my question, but I very much appreciate the long, thoughtful answer,
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 08:24 PM
Oct 2023

since I'd also been wondering why you did this redesign.

I can sympathize both with your viewing it as your personal project, and your trying to accommodate the community that's landed, sometimes with freak flags flying, all over your personal project.

And I can also see the conflict here.

When I'm working on a personal project, it's my vision and I don't want any interference.

But when I was running online forums, I was constantly getting feedback, and requesting it if it wasn't volunteered. Polling people, at least informally. Trying to find out what they wanted. And following those cues.

You're doing a great balancing act, with DU being both a personal project for you and a very large community you're preserving and leading.

I do applaud that.

And I never thought DU looked old-fashioned. I thought of it as classic. I'm sorry you ever felt, even for a second, that you had to say something apologetic about it. Classics are classic for a reason. (I am wondering which other sites are ones you consider very modern-looking.)

But I'd had no idea DU3 was on its last legs in terms of coding.

Anyway, I hope this all works out.

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