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Chrysanthemum

(202 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:43 PM Jul 2024

Error in Latest Breaking News

Hello!

I apologize in advance for being pedantic, but I was a language teacher for many years, and there is a repetitive error on the Latest Breaking News Forum.

The sentence in question is: "This message was self-deleted by its author." This sentence makes no sense. If a message were self-deleted it would be like a self-driving car. There is no driver involved in a self-driving car, and there can be no author involved in a self-deleting message.

I believe the intended meaning of the sentence is: "This message was deleted by its author." Simple, no?

I'm curious if anyone else has noticed this. And I'd also love to know if the sentence can be corrected!

Thanks for reading!

All the best,
Chrysanthemum

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Error in Latest Breaking News (Original Post) Chrysanthemum Jul 2024 OP
True! But every time I see the Forums tab I think "you mean Fora." But language is shared meaning, and Fora wouldn't mahina Jul 2024 #1
Forums is also acceptable. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #2
Yep. That's why I never asked for it to change. mahina Jul 2024 #6
Grammar Saves Lives PikaBlue Jul 2024 #3
Self refers to the self doing the deed. I see no ambiguity. bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #4
Absolutely redundant birdographer Jul 2024 #5
Hello My Friend BOSSHOG Jul 2024 #7
I taught English As A Second Language (ESL) dobleremolque Jul 2024 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Ptah Jul 2024 #8
Posts can be deleted by multiple parties. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #9
I think it should be corrected to what you suggested NJCher Jul 2024 #10
Ptah making a statement a few posts above! True Dough Jul 2024 #11
Clever, Ptah. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jul 2024 #14
apology accepted Shellback Squid Jul 2024 #12
Don't ask me. I can't spell and I'm terrible with grammar, too. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jul 2024 #13
Appreciate the question EarlG Jul 2024 #16
In a world in which people use "him and me" marybourg Jul 2024 #17

mahina

(18,840 posts)
1. True! But every time I see the Forums tab I think "you mean Fora." But language is shared meaning, and Fora wouldn't
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jul 2024

mean plural of forum to most people. So I'm the wrong one to ask.

mahina

(18,840 posts)
6. Yep. That's why I never asked for it to change.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:51 PM
Jul 2024

You're right, but I took Latin for a few years for no good reason, and that's just what my brain does.

PikaBlue

(250 posts)
3. Grammar Saves Lives
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jul 2024

There is an important difference in the following two statements.

"Let's eat, Grandma!"

"Let's eat Grandma!"

bucolic_frolic

(46,561 posts)
4. Self refers to the self doing the deed. I see no ambiguity.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:50 PM
Jul 2024

And self driving cars are far newer than self-deleting authors. They refer to very different deeds.

birdographer

(2,505 posts)
5. Absolutely redundant
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:51 PM
Jul 2024

But in the world today, this is pretty easy to overlook. Kids can't spell anything, nobody proofreads their YouTube video graphics or memes, as an editor I feel your pain. It's just the way of the world now, have to get used to it.

BOSSHOG

(39,593 posts)
7. Hello My Friend
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:52 PM
Jul 2024

I don’t know the answer to your inquiry, but would you agree the English language is the hardest on the planet? I recall the words of an Old College Professor asking way back in the 70s, “imagine a Citizen of China trying to learn English.” I tried but I couldn’t.

dobleremolque

(891 posts)
15. I taught English As A Second Language (ESL)
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:31 PM
Jul 2024

for a while. In addition to the "rough, bough, through" quirks, one of my favorite illustrations of the difficulty of English was to speak the sentence: "I really believe that", twice. The first time, emphasize the word "believe." I really BELIEVE that. The second time, emphasize the word "that" and give it the pitch rise then drop ..."THA-yut." The meaning is the polar opposite of the words spoken in the second example. No student ever quit on me, though.

Response to Chrysanthemum (Original post)

TwilightZone

(28,191 posts)
9. Posts can be deleted by multiple parties.
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jul 2024

It's likely intended to differentiate from the others, though your example would probably suffice.

The process to remove one's own post is Powers -> Self-delete this post, so it's probably also worded that way for consistency.

NJCher

(37,622 posts)
10. I think it should be corrected to what you suggested
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 08:57 PM
Jul 2024

We should always try for the fewest possible words.

EarlG

(22,476 posts)
16. Appreciate the question
Sat Jul 20, 2024, 09:59 PM
Jul 2024

The answer is, you’re not wrong, but it’s that way because we think of “Self-delete” as the specific name of a function on DU. It appears as a function in the Powers menu below any of your posts.

Part of this is just for legacy reasons. We understand that it’s clunky, but we deliberately chose to say “self-deleted” rather than just “deleted” in the notification because when the function was new, we wanted to be crystal clear that the post was deleted by its own author and not for some other reason. We didn’t want the notification to be too similar to other notifications.

We don’t mind leaving it the way it is because we still want to make sure that people associate that piece of information with the Self-delete function.

At least, that’s my excuse

marybourg

(13,088 posts)
17. In a world in which people use "him and me"
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 01:02 AM
Jul 2024

as the subject of a sentence, or “myself and the wife”, everything else can be overlooked, in my opinion.

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