and a guy next to me "dry fired" with a live round in the chamber.

Dry firing is the practice of simulating the discharge of a firearm without any live ammunition, or practicing with an inert laser/infrared training platform and may also include the use of a target/feedback system. The terms also commonly refers to simply "firing" a gun that has no ammunition in it.
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I remember being about 14, going to a public skeet shooting range, and some yahoo behind me accidentally shoots his gun into the ground. We were all sprayed by the dustup. No harm, no foul, and I was too young to have been appropriately worried. Now I wonder what my father was thinking taking us back there after that.

I know enough gun owners to know that many have fears that led them to guns. Self-defense.

The rest of us live in the same world, with all the same threats, but sans guns. Should we arm ourselves?

Or should we keep trying to disarm America?

the hands of “experts”.
A few years back I was talking guy and noticed he had a cast on his left hand. I ask what happen. He said he shot himself while gleaning his hand gun. He also told me he has been a NRA safety instructor for over 36 years.

Bullets do bounce and ricochet but the design of the range is to send all those 'down range' and not back to the shooting stalls. Note the slanted back stop at the end of the range. Anything that hit the baffles, floor or walls should also deflect down range.

Still, shooting a hole in the ceiling a few feet in front of you tends to unnerve ya' a bit . . .

How can people be firing "downrange" at an upward angle of...what? 30 degrees? Did they fall down as they pulled the trigger?

Good God. I don't blame you a bit for being scared of these incompetents.

comes up that we feel really good about.
What options have you considered? Canada is too cold for us and they don't have a great environmental record either (same with France and the UK). Mexico is a mess an good ole U.S. of A. does everything it can to destabilize Central and South America. All the European powers mess with Africa. New Zealand doesn't want anyone, and Australia is literally crawling with dangerous critters. We don't speak any foreign languages and that leaves a bunch of Islands. I tried to promote Ireland and Italy and I couldn't convince her.
Antartica might be a good option in 5 years or so.

No one wants foreigners really. Unless your like Peter Thiele of PayPal who recently got citizenship in New Zealand, where other billionaires are buying. There’s income minimums even in 3rd world countries. And then there’s health insurance issues. I know Mexico is popular with expats but they have a lot of crime and I’m not going anywhere without safe to drink tap water. I guess Central and South America are never going to stabilize unless USA legalizes drugs. All of them. Like Portugal did.

Sorry, but I'm another one of those who avoid the public ranges. Those flag wavers are just a totally whacko bunch of twats. For my own safety, I stay away.

Firing range officers and NCO’s!! And the smaller the weapon the meaner they were. “Mean” in the sense of prevent accidents and stupid.

In my memory I can still see the range officer, a Major, on the .45 pistol range telling us this was the most dangerous range in the division. The slightest move of a wrist, a finger...!

tend to be similar. Though you have to realize ranges like that also tend to see a LOT of shooters and training that tend to add up all those little holes. You do get yahoos who just blast around occasionally, but you also get people who are shooting their first guns and chances are good theyre not going to be accurate right out of the gate. With that you get a lot of people who tend to miss sighting in their firearms. Take a couple shots, readjust, take a couple shots, readjust ect.

One's thought process is moved from hitting a circular target ... the atypical practice target with a 'bulls eye' ,,, to where to shoot to inflict the most damage to a human.

Maybe not consciously but on some level the object of practice is be able to kill another person.

Life's a lot more pleasant that way.

An any case, guns are pretty useless for "self defense."

In my personal experience, once the guns come out everything is FUBAR.

My position on gun ownership:

As I live in a democracy, I have to support the current law as it stands in our democracy, But... If a referendum were presented on a ballot to make assault rifle ownership illegal again, I would vote to make them illegal. High capacity magazines, bump stocks, etc... as well.

When I was young, my first experiences with guns was the training that I received by a deputy sheriff who happened to be a friends father. We were 12 or 13 at the time. My friends father had given him a single shot bolt action .22 rifle. He insisted that we first learn how to properly and safely store the rifle and ammunition. We were instructed how to safely dismantle, clean, and re-assemble the rifle. We went through safety training weeks before we were ever able to shoot the rifle. We understood how dangerous the weapon was because we were trained to understand how dangerous it was. We were taught to respect, and to be responsible. I carry that information with me today.

After that training, I also went through the Indiana Hunters Association safety training program.

I once owned 3 weapons. 2 shotguns and a .22 caliber rifle. I sold my guns years ago and have only a 32" Louisville Slugger for protection in my home. I'm not an avid hunter today. I do my hunting exclusively in the meat section of the Piggly Wiggly.

I agree that as Americans, we should be allowed to own weapons. Not assault rifles or weapons that can kill many people in an instance. Not weapons that were created for the sole purpose of killing people. I strongly believe that if we, as Americans, continue to be allowed to own guns, we should be properly trained on how to be safe and responsible gun owners. We should also be willing to a strong background check before we're allowed to own a gun. We should also be willing to suffer the consequences if we fail to make our weapons safe - meaning that a weapon that is in our possession is used in such a way that is unsafe. Training should be mandatory, recurrent, and frequent.

The OP sounds as if he is a very well trained gun owner. Way beyond most. I feel very comfortable with his gun ownership. I'd feel very safe with him as a neighbor, co-worker, or an acquaintance who owns a gun. I can't say the same for pickup truck drivers with don't tread on me, come for my guns and I'll shoot you type of bumper stickers.

We've allowed our country to become a very unsafe place by allowing people to own weapons that they should never have been allowed to own. We've allowed our country to become a very unsafe place by allowing people to own weapons without proper safety training. We've also allowed our country to become a very unsafe place by allowing gun ownership by people who should never have been allowed to own a gun.

I have always believed that a person should not own a gun until they have passed a practical test for the purpose in which the firearm will be used. And that includes both static and motion target testing. For instance, if you are buying a pistol for home defense, then you must know how to safely store it and maintain it, plus you must past a range test that simulates home defense situations, including identifying your target before you shoot. If you plan to hunt, then you have to demonstrate field safety as well as target ID and be able to pass an in motion target test.

And if you don't pass the target test, you don't get your firearm.

This is the ignored part of gun control - besides preventing felons from getting one, the surest path to gun control is a proficiency test.

... make it difficult to shoot straight?

Are guns addictive in some destructive way? Are most of the fools who suffer gun fetishes exactly the sort of people who shouldn't have guns?

I'll speculate that many of those bullet marks in the ceiling are from idiots practicing their Quick Draw McGraw moves.

Yeah, against range rules, but FREEDOM!

Whether skeet or range. The concentration it takes to get high target scores is incredible. And I'm lousy at skeet shooting. But I don't have a gun fetish like a lot of gun owners do using them as some sort of manhood enhancer. The ones like that I have met watch way too much TV and action movies.

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. . . except on the target. And some of these folks are the same ones that open carry long guns to statehouses because they're pissed off about wearing masks/Covid-19 curfews. Their guns represent some sort of power for them yet they are absent of the skills to handle them safely.

The mess of bullet holes that missed the target reminded me of the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre that took place in 1984. The former Green Beret police sniper had only one chance -- from 35 yards -- to take the perpetrator out who had killed 21 people and was moving around inside of the McDonald's. A miss could have been catastrophic for the remaining survivors trapped with the perp.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/07/20/Police-marksman-just-did-his-job/2093459144000/

Actually, his uncle owned it and someone accidentally shot a hole in the wall that traveled to the parking lot, hitting a bystander in the head, killing him.

The victims family sued the uncle and he signed the range over to his nephew, my client. So they sued the nephew, and he's spent close to $100K in legal bills.

I'm not comfortable with guns and wouldn't own one, but I wouldn't get anywhere close to a gun range either.

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anyone who knows of my time in uniform ('69-'71) also knows that I did not serve in Vietnam. I had no service overseas, spent my two years in Ft Lee,VA. I did see 'action' in D.C. during both the Vietnam Moratorium ('69) and the MayDay protest ('70). Wasn't on the side I'd have preferred but I swore an Oath.

Google search both and look at images. I'm the guy wearing green.

My only enjoyable gun use was with an air pistol, swapping shots with my drunk dad at his empties in a lake. I didn't like shooting at a range when I had the opportunity, guns were noisy, smelly things. I was much better at archery, anyway.

Civilians who haven't had adequate training scare the crap out of me, too, but not for their lousy aim, for their overconfidence. Guns seem to make powerless people feel powerful and that in itself is dangerous as hell. It's also why so many of them are going to freak the hell out if we ever get sensible gun control in this country.

Exactly. At a recent medical appointment, a man walked into the waiting room with an open carry gun. My heart jumped into my throat and my heart started beating rapidly. He checked in and turned around. He was wearing a law enforcement badge on his plain clothes jacket. Even with that knowledge it took my heart several minutes to return to normal.

When I was 8, my friend across the street had a BB Gun and what does 8 year olds do... shoot BBs. Well, he shoot his BB gun as I was standing next to him and one ricochet off a tin shed and grazed my right arm. Nothing serious, but it was a lesson learn on how dangerous guns are, even BB Guns. The world dont need guns, mankind IQ is far more deadly than a bullet. History shows that bow and arrows were dangerous prior to the gun, guns are now more powerful and faster to hit a target. Yes guns can level the playing field if one faces a nut job, but there are other ways to protect. I watched a video of a victim of a gun massacre in texas in 1991, who proclaimed before Congress if she had her gun, her parents would of made it. Why a gun was my thought? Sorry, but if I was in that restaurant, pepper to the eyes would of been my choice. One, it blinds the person, two can not be reused onto you. Three, if you miss with a gun and hit others, you are not helping the problem.
If one goes to the public shooting range, money was spent on shells for what? Ego or power trip? Again, the IQ plays a big part of the wannabe protector with military style gear. All it does label you as a wacko!

There are a lot of reloaders providing inferior rounds to gun owners. There is a lot of ignorance amongst gun owners and I think it is tied to their fear. So they try to save money by buying cheap ammunition, so they can fire more rounds. Those AK-47's explode in their face when they have a squib load.

A squib load, also known as a squib round, pop and no kick, or just a squib, is a firearm malfunction in which a fired projectile does not have enough force behind it to exit the barrel, and thus becomes stuck. This type of malfunction can be extremely dangerous, as failing to notice that the projectile has become stuck in the barrel may result in another round being fired directly into the obstructed barrel, resulting in a catastrophic failure of the weapon's structural integrity.

on the barrel end of his shotgun, gun butt on the ground, his hands and chin over the end of the barrel. When he stood up, the shotgun went off and blew off three of his fingers. I asked him, “what the hell were you thinking?” His response? “”I thought the safety was on!” My reply back? “Dumbass!”

some joker shooting a rifle with a muzzle brake will end up in the next lane and the concussion and blast is very unpleasant. Happened twice. Done.