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Judi Lynn

(162,335 posts)
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 05:14 AM Mar 2022

US man kills himself, three daughters, one other at California church

Published: 01 March ,2022: 11:37 AM GST
Updated: 01 March ,2022: 12:23 PM GST

The Associated Press, California

Authorities say a man shot and killed his three daughters, their chaperone and himself during a supervised visit with the girls at a church in Sacramento, California

A man shot and killed his three daughters, their chaperone and himself during a supervised visit with the girls Monday at a church in Sacramento, California, authorities said.

Deputies responding to reports of gunfire around 5 p.m. found five people dead, including the shooter, at the church in the Arden-Arcade neighborhood, said Sgt. Rod Grassmann with the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Office.

. . .

Investigators believe the shooting happened during a supervised visit with the children and that the fourth victim was their chaperone, Jones said.

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Scrivener7

(52,474 posts)
2. Another responsible gun owner. More toxic masculinity. And
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 07:10 AM
Mar 2022

you know this was aimed at the children's mother.

Those poor children, and that poor chaperone.

brachism

(82 posts)
3. Suspect identified
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 07:23 AM
Mar 2022
Suspect identified

David Fidel Mora-Rojas identified as suspected shooter, police say
Reference: www.independent.co.uk


Arrested a week ago

DAVID FIDEL MORA-ROJAS was booked in Merced County, California for OBSTRUCT/RESIST EXECUTIVE OFFICER.
Booking Number: 2022-00000870 Booking Date: 2/23/2022
Age: 39 Gender: M Race: HISPANIC
Height: 5' 8" Weight: 187.0 lbs
Reference: recentlybooked.com





Sancho

(9,097 posts)
4. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Mar 1, 2022, 08:41 AM
Mar 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

CTyankee

(64,871 posts)
6. NO. The presence of a gun in the home is itself a MAJOR danger to the people in it.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 04:41 PM
Nov 2023

People can get angry, get drunk, then go for the gun. THEN, tragedy.

No gun, no shooting.

Sancho

(9,097 posts)
7. Exactly...which is why a license should be required...
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 08:31 AM
Nov 2023

...if you read the requirements for the license.

CTyankee

(64,871 posts)
8. The man who killed my viece had a license. It didn't stop him from getting angry, drunk and going for the gun.
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 09:02 AM
Nov 2023

How does a license prevent any of that?

Sancho

(9,097 posts)
9. Yes...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 06:55 AM
Nov 2023

...a correct license would prevent "easy possession of guns" by dangerous people. A strong license would not prevent all gun crimes, but it would reduce many such shootings.

CTyankee

(64,871 posts)
10. But my point is he wasn't dangerous until he was. IOW, this was a crisis he hadn't faced before. But I agree that a
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 08:12 AM
Nov 2023

strong license is better than nothing. But that is cold comfort to her family and my family who lost a loved one who was just starting her life with her new husband.

The only thing we can do is to stay out of states that do not carefully control guns. Even then, as we saw in CT, we still face danger from guns illegally smuggled into our state.

Sancho

(9,097 posts)
11. It is possible but extremely unlikely that no one knew a person was possibly dangerous...
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 10:03 AM
Nov 2023

...in order to possess a gun, a person who had even a cursory examination would have been known to be angry, volatile, emotional, alcoholic, etc. As such, they should be denied easy access to guns.

The gun nuts are fighting the idea of licenses because they know that a license can be legal.

CTyankee

(64,871 posts)
12. This happened in Texas. And there are a lot of people who are angry, volatile, etc. In this situation, the gunman was
Wed Nov 22, 2023, 10:51 AM
Nov 2023

furious that his wife had written him out of her will and she was dying of cancer. My niece just happened to be there to help her dying grandmother.

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