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Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 12:13 AM Mar 2013

Blocking posters from this group should not be based solely on what they've posted in this group

Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:32 AM - Edit history (2)

but on what they've posted elsewhere on DU as well.

If they've previously posted elsewhere (in GD or the RKBA group, for example) something along the lines of "easy access to guns isn't the problem, and in fact more guns in more hands would make everyone safer" or similar nonsense, then that should be plenty reason enough to block them from this group. We don't need them posting stuff like this http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262314 (satire) while pretending to be serious. (edit: see this thread for some recent examples http://www.democraticunderground.com/126263 ) That's not what this group is for.












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Discuss how to enact progressive gun control reform in a supportive environment. The group serves as a safe haven in which to mobilize supporters in support of measures reducing gun violence by changing laws, culture and practice at the municipal, state, and federal levels. While there is no single solution to the tragic epidemic of gun violence, members agree that more guns are not the solution to gun violence, and are expected to be supportive of the policies of progressive gun control reform organizations.


This seems pretty clear to me, even though some of DU's "RKBA enthusiasts" are trying to play dumb about it and find loopholes to post here anyways
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Blocking posters from this group should not be based solely on what they've posted in this group (Original Post) Electric Monk Mar 2013 OP
Wait a minute. All his posts here have argued with visiting Gungeoneers and a search shows this: freshwest Mar 2013 #1
I don't think so BainsBane Mar 2013 #2
No, and satire is his tool on other forums. It may not be a hard thread, but he's also argued with freshwest Mar 2013 #5
I'll make a simple analogy: If some guy kept posting scantily clad bikini pics in the Sports forum Electric Monk Mar 2013 #3
well . . . BainsBane Mar 2013 #8
That's already in the SOP but that hasn't stopped them from posting here so far, has it. Electric Monk Mar 2013 #11
DanTex's post is clearly satire. I think you misread my OP a bit. nt Electric Monk Mar 2013 #4
I edited, but why bring up that post? He's not pretending as OP states. Please cite another post. freshwest Mar 2013 #6
oh that one's easy BainsBane Mar 2013 #7
Electric Monk's OP should cite what he calls the problem: freshwest Mar 2013 #9
How would you suggest I edit it? I thought I was pretty clear. Electric Monk Mar 2013 #12
Just criticize satire. Don't infer there is any pretending, or that he's playing the group. freshwest Mar 2013 #15
Did you not see that big grey block in between where I quoted the group SOP? Electric Monk Mar 2013 #13
okay now I see the confusion BainsBane Mar 2013 #14
I'm using Firefox and saw the SOP. It didn't say no satire. I say his OP was not strictly helpful, freshwest Mar 2013 #16
Ok, I edited my OP with another link. Does that clear things up for you? Electric Monk Mar 2013 #17
I appreciate the edit and wish I could clear my posts that produced confusion. Sorry. freshwest Mar 2013 #18
Your oops is ok. I'd just leave it. I won't hold it against you. It's late. Good night :) Electric Monk Mar 2013 #19
Until we have a host BainsBane Mar 2013 #10
+1 ellisonz Mar 2013 #20
I don't see a problem with a little gun control humor Progressive dog Mar 2013 #21
I agree. DanTex Mar 2013 #22
Thank you for understanding. It was obvious to me that your thread wasn't pretending to be serious. Electric Monk Mar 2013 #23
Yes, I think we should operate based on someone's prior BainsBane Mar 2013 #24

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. No, and satire is his tool on other forums. It may not be a hard thread, but he's also argued with
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:07 AM
Mar 2013
visiting gunners demanding they back up their claims.

We do have a number of them posting, yes. Some threads already have a lot of them here, but I hadn't seen them since they were on Ignore.

We don't have a host yet to block them. I hope Skinner sets up WW tomorrow.
There is nothing wrong with Dantex, it just wasn't a news story or opinion, perhaps he was mocking the gunners. Others have as well, which I have said is not productive and only encourages them to come to argue.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
3. I'll make a simple analogy: If some guy kept posting scantily clad bikini pics in the Sports forum
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:06 AM
Mar 2013

then the History of Feminism Group could (and probably should) block them from posting in the HoF group.


I'm also looking forward to this new group having a proper host soon, and I hope they agree with me

BainsBane

(54,786 posts)
8. well . . .
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:13 AM
Mar 2013

I think the first step would be to simply communicate that's not what we prefer be posted here.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. I edited, but why bring up that post? He's not pretending as OP states. Please cite another post.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:08 AM
Mar 2013

We do have some gunners here that he is answering, and he is not a gunner from my advanced search.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. Electric Monk's OP should cite what he calls the problem:
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:17 AM
Mar 2013
We don't need them posting stuff like this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1262314 (satire) while pretending to be serious. That's not what this group is for...

Understandable criticism.

This seems pretty clear to me, even though some of DU's "RKBA enthusiasts" are trying to play dumb about it and find loopholes to post here anyways

It's obvious some are coming here to stir up trouble. but the implication. IMHO, is that this OP cites Dantex as one of them. Do you see where one might think that is the purpose?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Just criticize satire. Don't infer there is any pretending, or that he's playing the group.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:26 AM
Mar 2013

I didn't much appreciate the satire as I come here to see activist posts, not criticisms of Gungeoneers. That's not the purpose of the group. Apocalypsenow also made a post about the reaction in the RK & BA which I felt was going to drag them over here for their spats.

And we need a host now to ban those from there who are littering the board who we know Dantex has answered. The premise of the visitors coming here in bad faith and their posting records being reviewed when they do post here to see if they are pretending.

I just saw your example of a gun control advocate's satirical thread as off target. I would have cited posts from those who are known Gungeoneers that membes have batted heads with and don't support gun control according to this haven's SOP.

Do you understand my problem with the wording or the example?

Your suggestion is great, the apparent target not so much. Unless you really think that Dantex is not sincere. His record elsewhere indicates he is.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
13. Did you not see that big grey block in between where I quoted the group SOP?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:22 AM
Mar 2013

I could understand your confusion if so. What browser are you using?

BainsBane

(54,786 posts)
14. okay now I see the confusion
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:26 AM
Mar 2013

Both FreshWest and I overlooked the part where you said "stuff like this (satire) while pretending to be serious." We thought you were saying DanTex was a troll.
At least I think FreshWest did the same thing as I, based on his/her posts.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. I'm using Firefox and saw the SOP. It didn't say no satire. I say his OP was not strictly helpful,
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:33 AM
Mar 2013

but he is not a troll. It would be useful to tell him of your complaint of style without using the rest of the language. There was no other poster or post in your OP that could have been inferred. So the general take would be that Dantex is a troll, and I don't see how you can't imagine that it says otherwise. I agree with Bain's Bane, this is a waste of time discussing trolls until we have our host in place.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
17. Ok, I edited my OP with another link. Does that clear things up for you?
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:36 AM
Mar 2013

I'm off to bed soon. I'll revisit this tomorrow. Obviously we've had some sort of failure to communicate

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. I appreciate the edit and wish I could clear my posts that produced confusion. Sorry.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:39 AM
Mar 2013

What a lot of time I took here and now that you edited I see what you were saying and I was wrong. I see three posters that should not be here. Shall I just delete, or is that going to make it worse?

BainsBane

(54,786 posts)
10. Until we have a host
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:18 AM
Mar 2013

I suggest ignoring disrupters and/or alerting on them. We've already given them too much attention.

Progressive dog

(7,240 posts)
21. I don't see a problem with a little gun control humor
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 07:49 AM
Mar 2013

It was clear that the post was intended to be humorous. If we're going to require policy discussions as the only acceptable posts, this group won't have a lot of posts.

I do think that DanTex contributes substantially to a supportive environment, which is in the SoP.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
22. I agree.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 08:19 AM
Mar 2013

Yes, my post was satire (obviously), and it's also clear to me that the OP wasn't suggesting that I be blocked, but agreeing with the premise of my satire, which is that longtime gungeoneers are pretending to be gun control advocates in order to post in this group and either disrupt or water down the gun control message in the name of "balance" or "centrism" or "reasonability".

In reading this thread, I see some people think satire might be misplaced in this group. If we decide as a group that satire isn't appropriate here, then of course I'll respect that.

But I like satire, and I think satire is a useful tool (e.g. Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, Doonesbury, Tom Tomorrow, etc.). Particularly in the gun debate because there really is a lot to be satirical about. Yes, it's a serious topic, and if you search the history of my gungeon posts, you'll find that I have made my fair share of serious, lengthy posts. But sometimes you need to just sit back and laugh at some of the things people are saying, if only to maintain sanity in the face of all the nonsense coming from the NRA/CPAC/etc.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
23. Thank you for understanding. It was obvious to me that your thread wasn't pretending to be serious.
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 02:34 PM
Mar 2013

I guess it wasn't so obvious to a few others here, which led to the misunderstanding.

It seems that reading comprehension issues here on DU aren't limited to those folks unable to understand the words "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state..."


edited to add: Here's a nice thread in GD, for those who haven't seen it yet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2524696

BainsBane

(54,786 posts)
24. Yes, I think we should operate based on someone's prior
Mon Mar 18, 2013, 02:51 PM
Mar 2013

stated views on guns. Some are here for cynical reasons and, in my view, should not be allowed to stay.

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