All sorts of videos out there of kids from 4 to tweenhood being taught to shoot. Maybe we need a national minimum age law to own or operate a firearm, not just a minimum age to buy one. You can shoot legally even if you can't vote, drink, or drive a car? That seems a bit perverse.

unless we move to the middle on the rite, we will get nowhere.+ that starts w/ the new enemy. jerbalism(journalism).

If so, some here might take heart in knowing that between now and another 20 years a new generation will be in charge. I think that will end the hold us old white guys have.

Hate to be pessimistic, but that's what we were saying in the 80's. I thought the gun lobby could never get past the 1939 miller decision by the supreme court, & how it was interpreted as militia based rkba, & stare decisis (existing interpretation), but but but, bush/cheney sneaking into the white house is what ultimately changed the usa as we know it.

In this 21st century, the worst thing that has happened, generally & politically, has been the bush/cheney administration.
In this 21st century, the best thing that's happened, generally & politically, has been the obama/biden administration.

It is here and it is pretty much unstoppable. If as a people we are less culturally appreciative of guns in our own lives and indeed feel that guns are pretty much a net minus to their well-being in a more urban, less rural, setting, you don't have to go out preaching to them.

Mike Bloomberg is funding one such effort with a tub of his own money: mothers (in somewhat the model of MADD). I am not sure his approach will work, but his money will certainly buy a lot of air time and other publicity.

As I said, what WILL make the difference is the change in the way people live their lives in our society. If it doesn't make sense to tote a gun, or support people who do (and those are people you don't know or live around), your support is going to dwindle. The relevance of the gun in more and more people's lives will be a negative for the NRA simply because that relevance will be in the form a more violence, more death, more suffering. Who wants that?