Gun Control Reform Activism

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts) Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:28 PM Mar 2015

Jury fail :( Apparently it's ok to lie about me in the gungeon, but not to call out the lies.

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On Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:43 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Link? or you're simply being an asshole, and I already know the answer to that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=164017

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Calling a DU member an asshole is the kid of rudeness Skinner has asked us all to tone down. Find another way to express your frustration, something above middle school name calling.

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Here's the LIE that I was replying to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172164002#post12
That brings Bansalot down to about what, 2 regular posters and a host?

With the host now begging the "taking my stuff and going home" one to "come back, all is forgiven".

Here's the post that DonP was misrepresenting with his lies, that he wouldn't link to, and that now I can't post the link to in that thread since I'm blocked for having a post hidden.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=163638

At this point, I'm sorry I said anything to billh, asking him to be less rude. That was a mistake.

Since I can't win with you anyways, even when being civil and discussing the issue at hand (this sub-thread, for example), I shouldn't have bothered worrying about your delicate sensibilities.

I'm starting to understand why the earlier GCRA hosts ended up quitting DU entirely, because it puts a target on my back and gun humper asshole trolls can simply make up lies about what I have or haven't said, and get away with it.

If you good DUers would like me to continue hosting this Group, could I get a little show of support here? Thanks

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Jury fail :( Apparently it's ok to lie about me in the gungeon, but not to call out the lies. (Original Post) Electric Monk Mar 2015 OP

I know exactly what you mean. The "safe haven" for gun lovers is swarming with posters who Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #1

It wouldn't surprise me if they've already alerted on my thread. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #6

I doubt there will be an alert...you made your point very well and it is entirely valid. Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #10

Gun fanciers lie to themselves about their bad habit and rationale for arming themselves. Hoyt Mar 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #17

I luv ya, EM. tosh Mar 2015 #3

Thanks. I think that skill comes from practice, as some are on their 5th or 6th sock. Electric Monk Mar 2015 #4

I have so many on ignore that I didn't see the exchange. flamin lib Mar 2015 #5

It would probably be good for my blood pressure to stay out of the gungeon, but... Electric Monk Mar 2015 #9

Dumping that forum in the trash was a real hoot. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #7

+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #16

Did the same thing and have never felt I've missed anything. old guy Mar 2015 #27

Em JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #8

Trashing the whole group...you miss out on learning about them and how they think..some judicious Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #12

I have very few groups on a trash pile JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #14

I keep some off ignore just for entertainment. flamin lib Mar 2015 #13

Ha! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #15

K & R GoneFishin Mar 2015 #11

Did you read the alerter comment? thesquanderer Mar 2015 #18

The asshole comment was contingent on him providing a link or not. If he had a link, he's not an ass Electric Monk Mar 2015 #19

In the Gungeon, they'll find a reason to alert unless you are a gun fancier. Hoyt Mar 2015 #20

That group is filled with right-wing trolls, don't let them get to you Bjorn Against Mar 2015 #21

Ugh, skinner should juzt delete that forum. ncjustice80 Mar 2015 #22

I'm a newer DU'er (thanks, I had to get that rhyme out)...... raven mad Mar 2015 #23

You called the other person an asshole. Skinner Mar 2015 #24

I should have said "lying asshole, and the worst right wing gun troll in the gungeon". Electric Monk Mar 2015 #25

Thankfully, a jury agrees with you skepticscott Mar 2015 #31

Thank you. I hope Skinner sees this, too. nt Electric Monk Mar 2015 #32

He will skepticscott Mar 2015 #33

I would have Left it alone. I'm been called a lot worse than that in more subtle ways. BlueJazz Mar 2015 #26

Before the meta police arrive Android3.14 Mar 2015 #28

It wasn't my thread, and I hadn't participated until lies about me were being tossed around casually Electric Monk Mar 2015 #29

Seems to come with the territory Android3.14 Mar 2015 #30

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

1. I know exactly what you mean. The "safe haven" for gun lovers is swarming with posters who

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:36 PM

Mar 2015

seem to exist only to cut, paste and purposely alter the meaning or the context of other not gun safe haven needy posters.

I have most of them on Full Ignore....in one thread there were 54 comments....I saw only 12!

I am sure admin. has their reasons for keeping the forum, keep your enemies closer kind of reasoning....but is it worth the price?

The ones who act this way also routinely advance barely concealed straight from the NRA talking points without ever admitting they disagree with the politics of the NRA.

All the time waiting with an itchy finger to alert on any and all even mildly harsh responses, with alert explanations themselves being a distortion.

A couple of time I have noticed edits in their own posts to make their alerts seem more sane.

Time to get rid of the group entirely, maybe, the whole group seems contrary to the TOS of DU.

.......

Edit: I linked to your links...but in a 120 comment thread I can only see 21 posts...all the rest are my Full Ignore NRA posters!

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

6. It wouldn't surprise me if they've already alerted on my thread.

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:53 PM

Mar 2015

Some of those blocked from our Group still obsess over it, and read here regularly, looking to alert.

I hope a jury notices the broader context, instead of focusing on a single word.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

10. I doubt there will be an alert...you made your point very well and it is entirely valid.

Reply to Electric Monk (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:06 PM

Mar 2015

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

2. Gun fanciers lie to themselves about their bad habit and rationale for arming themselves.

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:37 PM

Mar 2015

Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

LiberalArkie This message was self-deleted by its author.

tosh

(4,446 posts)

3. I luv ya, EM.

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:44 PM

Mar 2015

Please stay!

And yeah, it's truly nasty over there these days. So many of them are pros at staying ever-so-slightly above the line for hides and tombstones.

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

4. Thanks. I think that skill comes from practice, as some are on their 5th or 6th sock.

Reply to tosh (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:51 PM

Mar 2015

I think the DU admins just got tired of playing whack-a-mole, so they let us create this Safe Haven instead, and that let the gun trolls stop having to unfurl new socks.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

5. I have so many on ignore that I didn't see the exchange.

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:52 PM

Mar 2015

Ignore early and often. It drives them fucking nuts that they can't get to ya.

Look on the bright side, now you can't post there for a day or so.

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

9. It would probably be good for my blood pressure to stay out of the gungeon, but...

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:00 PM

Mar 2015

TheCowsCameHome

(40,217 posts)

7. Dumping that forum in the trash was a real hoot.

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:56 PM

Mar 2015

Probably the best *click* I ever made here.

JustAnotherGen

(33,585 posts)

16. +1

Reply to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:23 PM

Mar 2015

old guy

(3,292 posts)

27. Did the same thing and have never felt I've missed anything.

Reply to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:51 PM

Mar 2015

JustAnotherGen

(33,585 posts)

8. Em

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:59 PM

Mar 2015

I had to trash that whole group. I'm not active back here - but I subscribe for a reason. We need stricter gun controls at a national level.

The only thing I can say - "trash" them. "Trash" the whole damn group.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

12. Trashing the whole group...you miss out on learning about them and how they think..some judicious

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:08 PM

Mar 2015

Full Ignores on individual members did the trick for me...and I can still defend folks that do battle there with folks who come do mainly come lightly armed.

JustAnotherGen

(33,585 posts)

14. I have very few groups on a trash pile

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:12 PM

Mar 2015

To me it's a spectrum if thinking - that

I'm way up here.

They are way down here.

They can stay in their place. . I've no tolerance for that - they have the NRA to do their bidding and to buy off their politicians . . . . They are getting their way. They just want a place to gloat about people like the Zimpig.

Its a trash heap.

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)

13. I keep some off ignore just for entertainment.

Reply to JustAnotherGen (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:12 PM

Mar 2015

I admit to tweeking one of them for calling MDA a CIA style psyops operation and saying he has moles in their operation. Said they were a paid sock puppet operation but never could tell me how much the going rate for a protester is.

Then there's the other one who takes everything I say as if it is directed only at him. That brings much joy to my life.

JustAnotherGen

(33,585 posts)

15. Ha!

Reply to flamin lib (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:14 PM

Mar 2015

That's it exactly - the mindset is just . . . Ewwww.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)

11. K & R

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:07 PM

Mar 2015

thesquanderer

(12,347 posts)

18. Did you read the alerter comment?

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:56 PM

Mar 2015

The alert was for calling someone an asshole, not for any view you expressed.

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

19. The asshole comment was contingent on him providing a link or not. If he had a link, he's not an ass

Reply to thesquanderer (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 07:59 PM

Mar 2015

but I knew he didn't have a link backing up his claim. Really simple for him to not be an asshole, and that's to not lie about me and what I have or haven't said. You have a point, though, that I should have called him a lying asshole, not just an asshole.

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)

20. In the Gungeon, they'll find a reason to alert unless you are a gun fancier.

Reply to thesquanderer (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:01 PM

Mar 2015

I think that's likely the case here. They are sensitive folks and protect their gun love.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)

21. That group is filled with right-wing trolls, don't let them get to you

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 08:34 PM

Mar 2015

There is one in particular that I have noticed loves to harrass the hosts of this group every chance he gets, he loves to lecture about politeness while being completely oblivious to the fact that his constant harassment is anything but polite. I have seen him jump on you multiple times over an alert he had against himself, and he constantly harrassed Secular Motion demanding he "discuss" with people who clearly just wanted to tear him down.

Why the admins allow people like this to harrass good standing members of this site like he does I will never understand, there are several people in that group who should have gotten the boot long ago.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)

22. Ugh, skinner should juzt delete that forum.

Reply to Bjorn Against (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:40 PM

Mar 2015

Why allow so many right wingers on DU???

raven mad

(4,940 posts)

23. I'm a newer DU'er (thanks, I had to get that rhyme out)......

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:36 AM

Mar 2015

But you're doing good with this bunch of whackos - of which I are one, so you don't have to spank!

Skinner

(63,645 posts)

24. You called the other person an asshole.

Reply to Electric Monk (Original post)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:00 AM

Mar 2015

Juries get it right. Again.

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)

25. I should have said "lying asshole, and the worst right wing gun troll in the gungeon".

Reply to Skinner (Reply #24)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 01:40 PM

Mar 2015

Why do you allow them to stay on your site?

exhibit B: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172164046#post38

So, share with us your real world activities to support your belief that the 2nd needs to be repealed.

Start the petitions for repeal of one of the original Bill of Rights amendments yet? How about getting out the checkbook and joining a gun control group? Maybe attending and speaking out at a local town hall or zoning meeting about a new gun range or gun store in your area?

How about at least sharing a few of your letters to the editor about the need to repeal concealed carry in your state?

Certainly someone with your deeply felt beliefs must be active in making it happen, right?

Or are you another keyboard commando on gun control?

exhibit C: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=163956

Sorry that whole shaming and "guilt by vague association" thing doesn't seem to be working out for you or your little friends Freddie.

Amazing as it is, nobody here seems to care what you think of them. Perhaps come back after another week or so in the wilderness and try a new tactic like you usually do.

exhibit D: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=163828

And still nothing relevant to say after 2 weeks Mr. Snot?

That reeks of desperation and irrelevance.

Obvious troll is obvious.

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)

31. Thankfully, a jury agrees with you

Reply to Electric Monk (Reply #25)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 03:57 PM

Mar 2015

On Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:39 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I should have said "lying asshole, and the worst right wing gun troll in the gungeon".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=8599

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls a DU member a "Lying Asshole and Right Wing Troll" in response to a correction by a DU Admin? Can't seem to learn a simple lesson about basic civility when you don't agree with someone.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 27, 2015, 04:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Agree with EM. Obvious troll is obvious. Among other things.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Too much tolerance of right wing trolls here...sometimes you have to call an asshole an asshole.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That would probably be because some of those gungeon folk are lying assholes and right-wing trolls. We have evidence for it from some gun fetishist site where they talk about how they troll this site despise hating liberals. How does the gungeon react? They aren't bothered at all. What pisses them off is that liberals talk about it. That is evidence the entire group is a troll infestation.