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Tuesday Afternoon

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Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:35 AM Mar 2013

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Zero rrneck Mar 2013 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #2
It could be rrneck Mar 2013 #3
Mathematically... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2013 #5
That's not Free... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #6
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~~~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2013 #8
nothing, among the other things it is not, is not the opposite of anything tiny elvis Mar 2013 #9
That would be impossible, given the strict definition of nothing. Dash87 Apr 2013 #10
In the logical sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #11
Nothing is not something. It is the not of everything else. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #12
I don't believe in opposites outside of the imagination, but ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #13

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
1. Zero
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:39 AM
Mar 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28number%29

Since zero signifies nothing but holds a place among integers, it represents a void that might be filled. Conceptually, it offers us a place to go; a destination and the promise of completeness. Such a promise is a prediction about how we will feel, which is faith.

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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
3. It could be
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 10:48 AM
Mar 2013

if somebody wanted it to be so. In a way, it might already be so from what I understand about Buddhism and zen.

Metaphors are everywhere.

Edit:



Circles are a fundamental symbol in many cultures. Somehow I'm not surprised to find the conception of zero represented as a circle.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
4. Mathematically...
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 12:13 PM
Mar 2013

...the subset of every set is the empty set. The empty set has no members but exists itself as an abstract concept. For example, a set is: mug, glass, pitcher and {null}. If the three elements are removed from the set, nothing is left.

In a grand bit of Irish wisdom I could say that I can add nothing to anything and still have the anything I started with.

My Irish mum often told me that I was as good as half dozen dead ones so there must be some similar property to multiplication.


Mirroring this bit of charm is Murphy's (apparently Murphy was Irish) reflexive law of location: no matter where you go, there you are.

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
6. That's not Free...
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:37 PM
Mar 2013

...this is:

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
8. ~~~
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 05:44 PM
Mar 2013

tiny elvis

(979 posts)
9. nothing, among the other things it is not, is not the opposite of anything
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:05 PM
Mar 2013

if nothing were the opposite of anything, then it would occupy a place that,
by its nature of exclusion of everything, allows no thing to exactly oppose any other thing

i mean that in this case the opposite of something is the opposite of everything,
and that would exclude the opposite of things being things,
because a designated place of opposition will not be occupied by both a thing and nothing
or even two things

the word is not the thing
zero and none are amounts used for sums
this is elementary and does not need repeated questioning

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
10. That would be impossible, given the strict definition of nothing.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013

Nothing can't be something, or otherwise it would be something.

Now I feel like those two guys on Scary Movie 4.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,577 posts)
11. In the logical sense...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:03 PM
Apr 2013

..."nothing" is an abstract concept, which does make it something. Nothing is also a word.
Nothing, in the mathematical sense like zero, is and never will be any other value.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
12. Nothing is not something. It is the not of everything else.
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:21 AM
Apr 2013

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
13. I don't believe in opposites outside of the imagination, but
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 08:01 AM
Apr 2013

there is a religion called Thelema that teaches 0=2. The easiest way to think about this "formula" is to think of the Yin-Yang. Everything is one, but we fracture it with our minds.

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