Philosophy

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts) Wed Apr 24, 2013, 04:37 PM Apr 2013

Friedrich Nietzsche quotes

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.

You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star.

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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Friedrich Nietzsche quotes (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 OP

a film you may interested in - When Nietzsche Wept Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2013 #1

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #2

For some reason rrneck Apr 2013 #3

Oh baseball... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #7

Oh, I don't remember the exact quote, but... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #4

IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #8

Because of someone's post ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #5

IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #6

Chaos is a boogeyman ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #9

Which theory? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #10

Chaos theory ismnotwasm Apr 2013 #11

I have a vague memory of hearing of this. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweeney Dec 2014 #13

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)

1. a film you may interested in - When Nietzsche Wept

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:46 PM

Apr 2013

Viennese doctor Josef Breuer meets with philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche to help him deal with his despair.

more at link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760188/?ref_=sr_2

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)

2. Thanks

Reply to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 08:55 PM

Apr 2013

I'll check it out.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)

3. For some reason

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Wed Apr 24, 2013, 10:20 PM

Apr 2013

the quote reminds me of my favorite poem. Maybe because it is much like the way I make art.

The Pitcher

His art is eccentricity, his aim

How not to hit the mark he seems to aim at,

His passion how to avoid the obvious,

His technique how to vary the avoidance.

The others throw to be comprehended. He

Throws to be a moment misunderstood.

Yet not too much. Not errant, arrant, wild,

But every seeming aberration willed.

Not to, yet still, still to communicate

Making the batter understand too late.

----Robert Francis

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)

7. Oh baseball...

Reply to rrneck (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 05:57 PM

Apr 2013

Nothing against Robert Francis but my favorite work on baseball is by Abbott and Costello.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)

4. Oh, I don't remember the exact quote, but...

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 02:42 AM

Apr 2013

it was about despising someone who brags about not committing some dreadful sin he was never interested in committing in the first place.

The truly moral person is one who resists temptation because no matter how tempted, the act would be wrong.

Choices. Freddie was big on choices.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)

8. IMHO...

Reply to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 06:04 PM

Apr 2013

...as time passes our choices become fewer leaving us finally with a Hobson's choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobson%27s_choice

ismnotwasm

(42,455 posts)

5. Because of someone's post

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 12:56 PM

Apr 2013

I went and read "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon. ( I would have sworn I had read it before, but noooo. Took me a month)

So themes of cause and effect and paranoia linger in my mind. ( Because now, I'm RE-READING it, even slower, savoring in a way, the combination of the sublime and the obscene)

Pynchon, from what I understand was influenced by Nietchzsche so I went and looked for an appropriate quote, and found this:

Cause and effect: such a duality probably never exists; in truth we are confronted by a continuum out of which we isolate a couple of pieces, just as we perceive motion only as isolated points and then infer it without ever actually seeing it. The suddenness with which many effects stand out misleads us; actually, it is sudden only for us. In this moment of suddenness there are an infinite number of processes which elude us. An intellect that could see cause and effect as a continuum and a flux and not, as we do, in terms of an arbitrary division and dismemberment, would repudiate the concept of cause and effect and deny all conditionality.

(I picked the Chaos one BTW, the poetry of it appeals to me)

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)

6. IMHO...

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2013, 02:03 PM

Apr 2013

...chaos is only chaos if you don't look closely enough or if you look too closely.

Chaos is an aspect of free will.

- Life is like a game of cards. The hand you are dealt is determinism; the way you play it is free will. - Jawaharlal Nehru
- I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road. - Stephen Hawking
- We must believe in free will — we have no choice. - Isaac Bashevis Singer

ismnotwasm

(42,455 posts)

9. Chaos is a boogeyman

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 01:03 PM

Apr 2013

In mythology and mathematics. I like that the mathematical theory was found by studying the weather--no reason, I just do.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,578 posts)

10. Which theory?

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 02:08 PM

Apr 2013

ismnotwasm

(42,455 posts)

11. Chaos theory

Reply to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 07:10 PM

Apr 2013

Chaos theory is a field of study in mathematics, with applications in several disciplines including physics, engineering, economics, biology, and philosophy. Chaos theory studies the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, an effect which is popularly referred to as the butterfly effect. Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general. This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved. In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos. This was summarised by Edward Lorenz as follows:

Chaos: When the present determines the future, but the approximate present does not approximately determine the future.

An early pioneer of the theory was Edward Lorenz whose interest in chaos came about accidentally through his work on weather prediction in 1961. Lorenz was using a simple digital computer, a Royal McBee LGP-30, to run his weather simulation. He wanted to see a sequence of data again and to save time he started the simulation in the middle of its course. He was able to do this by entering a printout of the data corresponding to conditions in the middle of his simulation which he had calculated last time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

I'm so NOT a mathematician but like I like this story.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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12. I have a vague memory of hearing of this.

Reply to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 08:07 PM

Apr 2013

I'll have to read some.

Thanks

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