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defacto7

(13,610 posts)
Sat May 4, 2013, 01:06 AM May 2013

--> Optimists are happier but a circumspect cynic is usually right. <--

I'm fishing for comments on this little assertion. It's not a trap and I'm not coming back with some grand statement of some kind. It's just a thought that came into my feeble brain and it would be nice to hear some argument, comment or affirmation. I am wondering it's validity myself. Seems a bit too simple but I also see truth in it.

Any takers?

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--> Optimists are happier but a circumspect cynic is usually right. <-- (Original Post) defacto7 May 2013 OP
I've read it. Happy people are a little applegrove May 2013 #1
I think the cynic wins on both LostOne4Ever May 2013 #2
Self delusion is a form of incentive. rrneck May 2013 #3
being an optimist could merely be seeing many opportunities or seabeyond May 2013 #4
I read somewhere that non-clinical depressives are usually realists ismnotwasm May 2013 #5
Be happy in spite of it all. Happiness comes from within and radiates outward. Tuesday Afternoon May 2013 #6
Hmm... OntheFringe87 Sep 2015 #7
What about "Pessimistic Optimism"? yallerdawg Oct 2015 #8
Usually, yes...however Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #9

applegrove

(123,139 posts)
1. I've read it. Happy people are a little
Sat May 4, 2013, 02:15 AM
May 2013

delusional. Sad people not so much. Think of what happens at the end of a bout of sadness: you accept some unfortunate truth about yourself or the world around you, you perhaps cry, then you reconnect to the world with this new understanding, albeit on a slightly different path than you were on before. But that path has helped you grow and see the world without your rose colored glasses. You are closer to self actualization. And you could not have gotten there had you remained happy only.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
3. Self delusion is a form of incentive.
Sat May 4, 2013, 09:43 AM
May 2013

If you knew exactly how things would turn out, there would be no point in trying. If you knew they would turn out bad, even less point. But if you imagine things will be good, whether they are or not, then you want to go find out.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. being an optimist could merely be seeing many opportunities or
Sun May 5, 2013, 09:59 AM
May 2013

outcomes. an ability to be flexible in thought. i do not see why optimism is an avoidance of truth. or why being happy means ignoring truth to live in delusion.

are we suggesting that one cannot see the truth and be happy?

if one accepts reality in all that it is, and can still be optimistic, then i think that person would way outweigh the cynic who is looking to create a scenario matching the cynism and can not see truth equally.

ismnotwasm

(42,455 posts)
5. I read somewhere that non-clinical depressives are usually realists
Sun May 5, 2013, 12:21 PM
May 2013

I don't necessarily agree with this though, the human condition has room for all kinds of behavior as well as outcomes, but we are conditioned to expect the worst. Cynicism always has a aftertaste of schadenfreude to it.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
8. What about "Pessimistic Optimism"?
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 02:49 PM
Oct 2015

"Hope for the best, plan for the worst"?

Can an optimist ever be disappointed?

Or do they really cheerfully turn lemons into lemonade? And are never disappointed?


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