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Related: About this forumImmoral Nihilism?
(Saw this and it reminded me of discntnt's thread on evil. Nice little site)
Does that seem right? Expressivists and "quasi-realists" seem likely to want to deny it, insisting that they can endorse all the same first-order norms as moral realists. "People do matter, and deserve to be regarded with respect," they will say, by which they mean that they endorse norms of treating people as if they matter and deserve to be regarded with respect. But going through the motions is surely not the same as really believing these things, and it seems plausible that morality (or genuine respect for persons) calls for the latter, over and above the former.
http://www.philosophyetc.net/2013/03/immoral-nihilism.html
pscot
(21,037 posts)and is concerned about human well-being? Like, I'm sure.
ismnotwasm
(42,454 posts)Don't you think?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)If they are kind, then why would this matter?
ismnotwasm
(42,454 posts)But other people don't really matter to you, it wouldn't matter, if that was how the human condition usually presents itself.
But it's not
An example;
Say an idea is more important than an individual, we'll take some form of evangelical religion as an example. The person with this idea is kind, he/she wish every one to have the grace their religion bestows upon practitioners, they aren't pushy, but they know a horrible punishment will happen to those not accepting their religion after life ends. They are convinced of this. They are saddened by it, but are very kind to individuals and groups of non-believers. Then opportunity happens in the form of a culture; an economically and spiritually oppressed population happens along. The original believer, now in an completely imbalanced power dynamic, (the one with power) respecting his/her ideals more than individuals, knows exactly what to do.
Now, These oppressed people have a rich tradition and culture of their own. But that is not what is important. What's important is that they follow the correct path.
When you think your idea is more important than other people, in this circumstance, the 'other' will be subsumed by opportunity.
And history has many samples of this very thing.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I don't know what my philosophical views are called, but I don't think anything, including people, have objective value, yet I personally value people very much.
ismnotwasm
(42,454 posts)From what I understand, the extremes of these are if its not tangible in some form, it's not real. In fact they seem to take satisfaction in saying nothing is real.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Or there is an objective reality, but we can only perceive it subjectively. They don't generally deny science, or anything like that, but they would resist saying a proven theory is "absolutely true."
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Maybe I am slow but I havent figured out what reality is.