Philosophy
Related: About this forumAn academic primer on ontological anarchism.
This video clearly explains why some people claim that the government doesn't exist, rights don't exist, etc.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)for later reading...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,578 posts)...how by taking the position that an organization is communication, that there is any logic to inferring that the organization doesn't exist. Perhaps you could help here.
thanks
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Communication is created by our imaginations. The noises and written symbols are real, but their meaning is entirely imaginary. So organizations are strictly imaginary since they don't exist outside of our imaginations.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,578 posts)...a subset of the communications between certain people equals an organization. I just don't see how it's valid to say that government doesn't exist. If government is an organization and organizations are composed of communication, then government is also composed of communications but not solely communications. Organizations have buildings and equipment and other property along with members that self-identify with that organization.
Rights are another matter. Certain rights are derived from the concept of the power and authority of the government arising from the consent of the governed and their being equal from the government's perspective. One person, one vote is such a right. Other rights like the right to life are attributes innate to humanity.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)We cannot detect the quality "government," we can only project it onto matter. Government comes from our minds. Considering a collection of atoms as a "government building" is a quality of the imagination. Considering a collection of atoms as a "government employee" is also a quality of the imagination.
Rights come from the imagination. We cannot detect them, we can only imagine them and project them. Right to life is a rhetorical construct that generally only applies to humans and pets that belong to the same imaginary faction we belong to because we don't want to be killed, but we do want other people, animals, and/or plants to be killed.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,578 posts)...we're willing to accept an objective reality, this conversation is imaginary.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,578 posts)...the meaning of "imaginary"!
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Communication is "imaginary" is not basically solipsistic?
delrem
(9,688 posts)By that I mean it takes away from whatever message the cartoonist might be delivering.
I know it's supposed to be helpful but I found it helpful not to watch the video, to just listen to the audio.
I listened to 11 minutes of it, and I'll probably watch the rest later.
"What is organizational communication? Organizations AS communication."
Doesn't that claim fail, as proven by the Liar Paradox?