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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 02:44 PM Aug 2014

China to Pope Francis: Don’t ‘interfere’ with religion

Josephine McKenna

VATICAN CITY (RNS) China has reacted cautiously to a bid by Pope Francis to open new dialogue with Beijing, with some officials quick to warn the Vatican not to “interfere” with the country’s religion.

Catholic Church of the Saviour, also called Xishiku Church or Beitang, in the Xicheng District in Beijing, China. Photo courtesy of Fotokon via Shutterstock
On his return flight from a five-day tour of South Korea, Francis said he was ready to go to China — “For sure! Tomorrow!” — after receiving a positive response to two goodwill telegrams he sent to President Xi Jinping as the pope flew over Chinese airspace.
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/08/20/china-responds-pope-francis-tells-interfere-religion/

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China to Pope Francis: Don’t ‘interfere’ with religion (Original Post) hrmjustin Aug 2014 OP
"warn the Vatican not to 'interfere' with the country’s religion." rug Aug 2014 #1
They seem to want to control it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
They actually have set up some state-sponsored/approved churches. rug Aug 2014 #3
Thanks. I think the last few days was the worse I ever saw here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4
I went to see what was going on - and boy I made the right call trashing that room nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #5
It was a disgusting display of hypocrisy and personal attacks. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #6
They have the black and white logic of the fanatic in some regards el_bryanto Aug 2014 #7
I get the sense that there are some atheists who post in there are actively trying to hrmjustin Aug 2014 #8
Well - yes - of course. Several of them are very clear about that el_bryanto Aug 2014 #9
There is a disconnect there. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #10
Not DU believers at any rate -not generally. nt el_bryanto Aug 2014 #11
No we would not tolerate people saying things like repent and believe. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #12
The belittling and minimalizing of believers okasha Aug 2014 #13
They believe themselves to be right - we believe ourselves to be right el_bryanto Aug 2014 #14
Not sure what you mean in your last paragraph. okasha Aug 2014 #15
I mean that Atheists do get a bad break in society as a whole. nt. el_bryanto Aug 2014 #16
There is prejudice, certainly., okasha Aug 2014 #17
I was told, in as many words, that there is no actual difference Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #18
Lol! rug Aug 2014 #19
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
1. "warn the Vatican not to 'interfere' with the country’s religion."
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:18 PM
Aug 2014

Does the People's Republic of China now have a state religion?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. They seem to want to control it.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:26 PM
Aug 2014

Btw I am staying away from the other room today. I just need some space from it.

Won't be long but some went too far and they don't recognize that they did for the most part.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. They actually have set up some state-sponsored/approved churches.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

Take your time. Some of them are there just for the sport. When they're losing, they get nastier. I could fill a level teaspoon with the sincerity of those posters.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
6. It was a disgusting display of hypocrisy and personal attacks.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 03:53 PM
Aug 2014

I never felt so unwelcomed there before.

And the line that if we defend ourselves against the delusion claim we are showing our privilege was just priceless.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
7. They have the black and white logic of the fanatic in some regards
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:52 PM
Aug 2014

Either all beliefs are equally valid or no beliefs are valid at all. Either we except the suicides at Jonestown as legitimate religious practice or we have to condemn the local non-denominational Church as delusional.

Bryant

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
8. I get the sense that there are some atheists who post in there are actively trying to
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

get believers to abandon their faith.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
9. Well - yes - of course. Several of them are very clear about that
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 05:59 PM
Aug 2014

They might use different terms, and will deny it when asked, but of course that's their goal in some cases. If you believe religion to be pirmarily a source of evil, it just makes sense that you would want to get people to be less religious.

It drives me nuts when a few of them - particularly dishonest ones - suggest "We just want to raise awareness of how religion can impact politics." So very disingenuous. As if in 90% of the cases believers aren't on the same page. There's only a few minor areas of disagreement politically, and yet it's necessary for them to bring into the religion forum continuous attacks on DU Believers. The goal is to belittle and minimize the practice of religion and belief.

Bryant

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
10. There is a disconnect there.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:04 PM
Aug 2014

Some seem to think all believers are alike and we believe alike.

And you do not see believers trying to convert others.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. No we would not tolerate people saying things like repent and believe.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:27 PM
Aug 2014

It would be completely inappropriate.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
13. The belittling and minimalizing of believers
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 06:55 PM
Aug 2014

is a form of self-aggrandizement. It's not even really the big-fish-in-a-little pond syndrome. It's more like guppies who've convinced themselves that they're barracudas.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
14. They believe themselves to be right - we believe ourselves to be right
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 07:06 PM
Aug 2014

The difference is that our beliefs allow us to respect those who think differently than we do.

But they do have a point when it comes to society as a whole.

Bryant

okasha

(11,573 posts)
17. There is prejudice, certainly.,
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 08:28 PM
Aug 2014

especially among fundamentalists. But there is very little outright discrimination or persecution comparable to what LGBT's, Jews and Muslims, and people of color have experienced.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
18. I was told, in as many words, that there is no actual difference
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 07:31 AM
Aug 2014

Between a Primitive Baptist and Teilhard de Chardin.

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