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Related: About this forumVenezuelan Socialist Party swaps God for Chavez in new prayer
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CARACAS (Reuters) - A member of Venezuela's Socialist Party has rolled out a variation of the classic Christian "Lord's Prayer" to implore beloved late leader Hugo Chavez for protection from the evils of capitalism.
"Our Chavez who art in heaven, the earth, the sea and we delegates," red-shirted delegate Maria Estrella Uribe recited on Monday at the PSUV party Congress.
http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-socialist-party-swaps-god-chavez-prayer-202222347.html
I don't care for it at all!
No Vested Interest
(5,196 posts)Chavez himself had a devout side to him.
Maybe he wouldn't approve.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)is based on an old English drinking song.
How is this any different?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)And I am not a fan of America the Beautiful.
bvf
(6,604 posts)My point is that this is no more offensive than injecting the name of someone's god into a song associated with unbridled merriment.
It's a two-way street.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)my point.
I find it offensive that someone took a perfectly good party song and sullied it with phrases like, "God shed his grace on thee."
Looks like we have something in common.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I don't care for it either.
bvf
(6,604 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Perhaps you didn't know what group you were posting in.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I'm here trying to learn, and perhaps educate.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)A safe haven that provides opportunities for people of all faiths, spiritual leanings and non-belief to discuss religious topics and events in a positive and civil manner, with an emphasis on tolerance. Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group.
bvf
(6,604 posts)How does pointing out that secular elements of a culture are just as prone to conscription by the religious as the other way around violate this charter?
And again I ask you: Are you the discussion police? I realize you have a hard time making up your mind about certain things, but surely you know whether or not you possess the credentials.
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Is not going to go down well in the Interfaith group. This group was set up specifically as
Basically, it was set up because the Religion group was overrun with atheists sneering at religion and at believers. I could point to multiple posts in which it is expressed or implied that religious belief is a mental disease or defect. We want to get away from that sort of thing.
No, I am not "the discussion police", nor are Justin or cbayer. We just want to keep things harmonious in this little corner of DU.
okasha
(11,573 posts)He's one of our hosts
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)Not America the Beautiful. SSB's tune was originally for the popular British song To Anacreon in Heaven. One of the silliest things I ever read was a man saying that SSB was originally a military march: The problem with that is it's in 3/4 time, so were the troops supposed to waltz into battle?
I have always believed that America the Beautiful should be the American national anthem, not the impossible to sing (it has a range of over an octave) SSB. The official state song of Georgia is Georgia on My Mind, specifically as sung by Ray Charles. Here is Ray Charles singing America the Beautiful
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)It's not particularly religious (God is prominent in the fourth verse but who sings it that far?). So I can see why he switched it around.
Bryant
bvf
(6,604 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)The situation is different because the national anthem adapted only the tune, not the words, of the drinking song.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Reuters in Caracas
Venezuelas Roman Catholic church has admonished the ruling Socialist party for rewriting the Lords Prayer into an ode to its beloved late leader Hugo Chávez.
The Lords Prayer, the typical prayer for Christians around the world, comes from the very lips of our Lord Jesus Christ
and is therefore untouchable, the local Catholic church said in a statement.
A party member introduced the prayer on the podium of the party congress on Monday, imploring Chávez for protection from the evils of capitalism.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/05/lords-prayer-to-hugo-chavez-angers-catholic-church-in-venezuela